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Hey Koopa, You wanna bet your $25 V-bookie money that the Spurs will be playing next June? You obviously bet against them this year.
I don't think we can count on the same luck with injuries, playoff draw and other factors next year. To not at least add some prospective players to the talent pool would be fool-hardy. The more I hear RC talk, the more I think he's creeping to the "I'm Keith Hernandez" zone.
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Hey Koopa, You wanna bet your $25 V-bookie money that the Spurs will be playing next June? You obviously bet against them this year.
i didn't bet them to lose, i bet them to win in six against the jazz cause i didn't want to jinx them by saying it was gonna be easier....... at another site i have over a billion vbookie points cause i kept betting on the spurs
but i'll bet it if we don't make any changes, cause if we stay the same as we are now, we will not make it out of the second round
Dusty, is that you? LOL
I hate it when R.C. talks that way. That kind of talk wreaks of championship arrogance. What good is it to have players stashed overseas, if they are not able to integrate themselves into the team culture and getting valuable practice reps?
No one is suggesting that the Spurs perform any blockbuster trades or tear away at the core of this team. Furthermore, it's understood that any young player drafted would be hard pressed to gain any significant minutes. However, there is something to be said for adding to your core group of players.
Sure there will be a lot of cap room available next summer. However, the FO cannot and will not be able to restock the entire roster around the "big three" during that summer of '08. That process needs to start sooner.
Since they are not likely to make any FA signings, the draft is the quickest and cheapest way to replenish much-needed depth. This can be done while maintaining the integrity of the team's core.
IMO the third PG will come from FA...not in the draft..we some one that can come in and contribute straight away, not some rookie....
that 7ft ukraine dude looks like a good project....
Oh yeah, I thank my lucky stars every day I spend 7 months away from home and am in a business that gives people ammunition to be prejudiced and have preconcieved notions about me.You are just damned lucky your parents set you up in the carny business.
HOT DAMN THANK YOU GOD!!!!!!
R.C. exciting the fans as always
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http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2151
The most active teams in trade talks from what we are hearing are certainly the Pacers, Suns, Timberwolves, Supersonics, Hawks and to a lesser extent the Spurs and 76ers.
Why are people hating Vaughn so much, he's a solid back up for Tony. It's not like he is being called on to play more than 15 minutes a game anyway. He doesn't make mistake and he hits open jump shots (See Phoenix Series). I guess you guys gave it to Avery in his time too.
@ they won't get out of the 2nd round.
Whatever.
I think Buford is on the money with most of his takes. Outside of five or six rookies, no rookie is going to join the Spurs and help the team win a championship more than a Michael Finley or a Brent Barry -- even if those two guys are a combined 85 years old.
A lot of us like the thought of adding a nice rookie, but honestly it comes down to the fact that rookies are entertaining while a known quan y isn't. Considering veteran leadership and other intangibles, there isn't going to be a point guard where the Spurs draft that is going to offer much more to the table than Jacque Vaughn will.
The Spurs do need to gradually get younger but they've already started doing so. James White and Jackie Butler seem to be decent prospects. Their overseas prospects look decent as well.
While it'd be fun to add a Derrick Byars, Jared Dudley or Morris Almond to the mix, in the long run, doing so or not doing so won't win or lose the 2008 championship.
Are you guys competing for the stupidest post on this thread?
Agree to a point. However if R.C. and Pop truly believed that then they would have never taken a chance on Tony Parker and then made the unprecedented desicion to start him in the 5th game of the regular season that year.
They cannot continue to live off the production from the Parker/Ginobili picks of 6 or 7 years ago.
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They are trying to trade Barry, Beno and Butler.
i love r.c.
Come on LJ, you're better than this.
No one is expecting our first rounder to come in and be a starter. What we do need is a backup point and a Bowen apprentice. We need to get someone in at the SF spot that Bowen can teach the tricks of the trade to and the Spurs can give some regular season run to, which will both increase their learning curve and keep Bowen fresh for the post-season. When will people in the Spurs front office realize that Bowen is going to be another year older next year? They can't count on him staying in front of the premier gunners in the league forever.
I don't like what I'm hearing out of R.C. It wreaks of the championship arrogance we've had in years past where we won it. They get content, don't do anything for the summer, and then get punked in the playoffs the next year.
The scary thing is they seem to have settled into the mindset once again that veteran experience trumps young athleticism, which is fool's gold. Dallas is still the team best suited and built to take down SA, and the Spurs have done nothing to address the weaknesses that Dallas was able to exploit last year.
It's wreckless to say that 'we're just one Manu foul away from winning', and pretend that Dallas hasn't gotten better since. We can't count on Golden State taking care of Dallas for us every year, and if we do then this front office is more shortsighted than I thought.
The other thing is, this 2008 plan is fool's gold. The Spurs have never successfully lured a young FA to SA in their history. Every time they have cleared substantial cap room in the TD era, all they have gotten to show for it is aging veterans looking for a free ride to a le.
This is one of the deepest drafts of all time, and the Spurs have three great picks in it. They need to take advantage of it.
Did you just steal a line from Mark Jackson?
Valid points. Except for one problem: there isn't a Bowen replacement in this draft where the Spurs are picking. In fact, James White is closer to being a Bowen replacement than anyone the Spurs could pick at 28.
And yeah a point guard would be nice but you're probably looking at a Beno Udrih replacement. Not exactly a need that can't be filled elsewhere.
I hope the Spurs use this draft to get younger but I don't see a Bowen replacement available or any other must have prospect at 28. Players like Fernandez, Dudley and Byars would be nice, but those are more Brent Barry replacements than Bruce Bowen replacements.
Exactly. One of the primary jobs of the GM is to try and improve the team so they can stay compe ive over the long haul. R.C. has done a masterful job at that, which is why he's earned the reputation he has.
However, at some point he and the rest of the F.O. are going to have to make full payment on these "old checks" they have held onto. I hope R.C. is posturing when he makes those types of comments. He's not doing his job if he sits on his ass, trades away draft picks and is simply content with having the oldest team in the league.
Age and experience do win in the playoffs, yet older players often get hurt. The Spurs experienced a lot of good fortune last season because they remained virtually injury-free. However, you can only play with "house money" for so long.
The apprenticeship for a young player in the Spurs system probably takes 1-3 years. Just like a championship team is not built overnight, the same goes with team depth. The FO cannot simply bank of bringing a host of complimentary talent next summer. They do NEED to start the process now.
Spurs need to fill out the rest of their roster (a whopping 2 spots..maybe) with rookie types that will be avialable to help them in the future, if not this year.
The FO may have loaded the team with older veterans, but as recent as last year, they've shown the ability to take a combined approach...
They added Elson, who was an NBA veteran with limited upside and a fairly known quan y...then took a flier on an unknown quan y with big upside in Jackie Butler.
I think last year's off-season was a sign that the Spurs understand they're getting older and need an infusion for the next generation.
I hope to see the roster filled out with young guys that could potentially step in next year, but would definitely be ready for 08-09, even though I understand that some veterans will be added at that point as well.
This sounds a lot like many of the threads on here in February 2007.
Too old...
Too slow...
Can't win another "Ship"......
FO sucks....
And it never quits.....
Yet who looks like the genius and who looks the fool when all is said and done.
I guess there really is a reason why Spursfans aren't allowed to run the team.
I read that article about the Spurs being involved in trade talks--and was pissed that the writer gave no clue as to which player or club or whatever. You'd think if there was a rumor worthy of writing about, he'd have that info.
Eh, I have mixed feelings. The team is getting younger and if another young player is available to fill a need/apprenticeship, then take him. But on the other hand, don't waste a roster spot on someone who can't be a viable filler in a year or two.
I thought they did a good job of combining their needs for youth with veteran experience/leadership this year, and I hope the trend continues for the next two years, so we can feel moderately better about TD's retirement.
What makes my eye twitch was RC's statement that Manu/Tony/Tim being gone would be someone else problem to deal with. My eye is still twitching.
I like Dudley and Davis, but I have a feeling we are going to go in a way different direction.
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