Told Ya We Were Headed for A Cons utional Crisis

[George Gervin's Afro]

Trust the Repug Exec now? on what ing grounds? Because they're "conservatives"?

They've ed up everything they've touched since 20 Jan 01, including failing to heed terrorist attack/al Qaida warnings and permitting WTC to occur.

trust dubya and head? only someone as ridiculous as yoni could trust them today.

Shhhhhh boutons Yoni is on a roll...

[Yonivore]

Look up Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi. They were both US citizens detained as "illegal enemy combatants" for su ion of being involved in 9/11. Both were denied habeas corpus and Hamdi was even sent to Guantanamo

I thought we were talking about illegal wire taps and secret prisons. To my knowledge, neither of these fine, upstanding citizens were subject to either of those practices.

Hamdi was captured in Afghanistan and went to a highly visible Camp X-Ray.

Padilla was arrested in Chicago and, as far as I know has been incarcerated in known facilities ever since.

[DarkReign]

Give me a reason to distrust them on this matter.

I have always understood your position, even though it has been much different from mine on many things.

This, above all things, is why I fear you and yours.

I dont give a if your brother was the President, your father the VP, your mother on the Supreme Court and any number of cousins in Congress...

YOU NEVER, EVER TRUST THE GOVERNMENT. EVER.

It doesnt matter that they may be your particular political affiliation. Maybe they like the same taco dip you do, too.

Doesnt make them trustworthy. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. Regardless of affiliation.

[Yonivore]

I have always understood your position, even though it has been much different from mine on many things.

This, above all things, is why I fear you and yours.

I dont give a if your brother was the President, your father the VP, your mother on the Supreme Court and any number of cousins in Congress...

YOU NEVER, EVER TRUST THE GOVERNMENT. EVER.

It doesnt matter that they may be your particular political affiliation. Maybe they like the same taco dip you do, too.

Doesnt make them trustworthy. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. Regardless of affiliation.

Blind distrust, masking as faithful opposition, that tends to frustrate efforts to detect and prevent domestic terrorism isn't any better.

I don't blindly trust the government. But, I do believe this administration is trying to protect us against another attack.

[PixelPusher]

Blind distrust, masking as faithful opposition, that tends to frustrate efforts to detect and prevent domestic terrorism isn't any better.

I don't blindly trust the government. But, I do believe this administration is trying to protect us against another attack.

Blind faith in government, so long as they're members of your own party, is equally foolish.

[DarkReign]

Blind distrust, masking as faithful opposition, that tends to frustrate efforts to detect and prevent domestic terrorism isn't any better.

I don't blindly trust the government. But, I do believe this administration is trying to protect us against another attack.

I dont. It helped them sweep elections for 8 years.

What possible political reason do they have to prevent a disaster?

If anything, another 9/11 just proves how right they are.

If thats the direction that politics are taking, we're all ed anyway.

Disaster averted, yay Government! Disaster strikes, BOOOO Democrats!

Thats no logic at all.

[Jamtas#2]

At some point during the beginning of the Iraq war after 9/11 I did have trust in my government. But the over use of the "trust us" arguement makes me less likely to do so. The giving up of freedoms to the government to protect me is such a slippery slope. If they were completly noble and selfless human beings I would believe that my sacrifice would be for my own good, and not really affect me personally. But since they are politicans and thus incapable of being "noble and selfless" I don't believe it, and Bush's continuing calls to trust that he knows what he is doing, the you're with us or against us rhetoric just raises my level of mistrust. Calling those who disagree with you as unpatriotic is just a distraction tactic to change the subject and make it a peronal battle rather than a debate on the issues. Much like today's campaigns where we don't really elect based on issues but by who can slander the other guy/girl better. We the public are much to blame for that. The politicans are able to sum things up as bumper stickers cause we allow it. We jump on the side of one party and do nothing but berate and villify the other party. Debate is no longer differing opinions arguing their point until a compromise or a change of view has occured. I can't go through every post in here, but I'd be willing to bet that if Dan or boutons has a view on an issue, it won't agree with the republicans ever. And vice versa, x-ray or Yoni won't agree with the democrats on anything. How can one party always be correct and the other wrong? We have to be loyal to our country as a whole, not the republican's or democrat's version of it.