Splitter In, Scola Out?

[Kori Ellis]

none of the guys we ever draft will dominate, they are all nothing more then role players, but there will be no use for a role player when tim retires cause if we have nothing but role players will be worse then the hawks are now

So you wanted them to draft players who will dominate?

How would they do that unless they were in the top 5?

[koopa]

So you wanted them to draft players who will dominate?

How would they do that unless they were in the top 5?

no, the person above brought up the word dominate so that's why i said dominate, i want us to draft players that could help now, not 20 years from now, our window to win is only open till tim leaves, so we got to get players that can come in now, cause after tim is gone, we are back to just a playoff team that will never win...... this drafting and stashing is pretty pointless, and keeping the team we have now is not gonna get it done, beno and barry are as useless as it gets in the nba, horry is declining more and more ever year, sure he did good on defense this year but that will be gone soon too........ we got lucky we didn't have to face the mavs this year, now next year we won't be as lucky and we'll be older and slower............. there had to be one american that could help now, but rc and pop busted a nut when splitter dropped so they went with another guy that will rot overseas....... they should have went with tucker, except he goes to one of the teams that is a legit threat to our chances of repeating

[BeerIsGood!]

none of the guys we ever draft will dominate, they are all nothing more then role players, but there will be no use for a role player when tim retires cause if we have nothing but role players will be worse then the hawks are now

You don't get guys who will dominate in the late first and 2nd very often, the Spurs were fortunate to get 2 of them.


You want a pick that matters? Wait until this regime is done and the Spurs win 23 games again and have a top 4 pick. Hopefully they'll get another 1 in a year with another great big man. Right now, they don't need superstars. They need to have the best mix of role players possible because they already have the stars on the team.

[BeerIsGood!]

no, the person above brought up the word dominate so that's why i said dominate, i want us to draft players that could help now, not 20 years from now, our window to win is only open till tim leaves, so we got to get players that can come in now, cause after tim is gone, we are back to just a playoff team that will never win...... this drafting and stashing is pretty pointless, and keeping the team we have now is not gonna get it done, beno and barry are as useless as it gets in the nba, horry is declining more and more ever year, sure he did good on defense this year but that will be gone soon too........ we got lucky we didn't have to face the mavs this year, now next year we won't be as lucky and we'll be older and slower............. there had to be one american that could help now, but rc and pop busted a nut when splitter dropped so they went with another guy that will rot overseas....... they should have went with tucker, except he goes to one of the teams that is a legit threat to our chances of repeating

That's what you don't understand. Players where the Spurs are drafting now won't be good enough to contribute over the players the Spurs already have. That's a very good thing.

The draft and stash allows the Spurs to try to groom players to come in when the ranks are thinner and the team isn't dominate - or when they mature to NBA level and can contribute next to TD, TP, and Manu. If they pick a bunch of domestic players they end up having to cut them ala James White situation with Indy last year.

[spurs4real]

I expressed frusteration with the stash idea, and was called names up and down.

So don't go there. Just say GO TIAGO!!!

or better yet
GO TIA GO

[planaria]

Remember this is Tau we're dealing with. Good luck prising a player out of their grasp. Doesn't Splitter have Spanish citizenship, too?

There is a buyout clausule in his contract.

Pay Tau US$ 1 million dollars and he´s free for 2008/09 season.

Spurs can help with US$ 500k and Splitter should pay the other US$ 500k.

Plus, Splitter really wish to play for you. That is enough...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I expressed frusteration with the stash idea, and was called names up and down.

So don't go there. Just say GO TIAGO!!!

People called you names because you ducked the very simple question of who the Spurs should have drafted for two hours while you whined like a little girl whose dog just got kicked.

And here we are eight hours later, and you still haven't answered the question.

[ArgSpursFan]

i wonder If Luis already said something to the Spanish/Arg. Press about the spurs drafting Tiago.
He must be pissed.And I wouldnt blame him if He was.

[ducks]

why would be be pissed he could join his fellow player

[ArgSpursFan]

why would be be pissed he could join his fellow player

Honestly,My guess is that the spurs drafted Tiago coze they took a deferent direction with Luis.
I don´t know,We´ll see.

[ducks]

is it spurs fault scola has not negotioned well to get out of buyout?

[smeagol]

is it spurs fault scola has not negotioned well to get out of buyout?

We have gone through this many times. 10 year contract, signed in 1997 by his father. 1997: very few foriegn players in the NBA. Conclusion, it's nobody's fault.

What I'm surprised is that the Spurs did not do their due diligence when drafting Scola in 2002. Didn't they know about the situation with the buyout in Luis' contract?

[ArgSpursFan]

is it spurs fault scola has not negotioned well to get out of buyout?

Nope,Scola´s eather.Tau changed the terms of the buy out,not The player.
But now the spurs are gonna have to deal another buy out with Tau for Tiago.Now will see if it was Luis fault or Tau´s fault.

[ducks]

it is only suppose to be one million
it is not that bad
spurs can write him a check for half it for buyout
then splitter agent can work the rest out
not hard

[ducks]

if it is no ones fault maybe spurs were hoping scola coudl work something out
or maybe long term they thought they would bring him over
they still may when his buyout is reasonable

[wildbill2u]

I think I read somewhere that the guarantee at 28 is $720,000. If we paid $500,000 of Splitter's buy out, that means he'd have to pay the other $500,000 and would be coming here to play for only $200,000.

No one considers the possibility of Tau making a much better offer to extend his contract. We shouldn't underestimate the Euro teams financial resources in a bidding war. Splitter, a potential superstar in Europe, may be worth a lot more money to their team than he would to the Spurs as a role player.

[Mr. Body]

I think I read somewhere that the guarantee at 28 is $720,000. If we paid $500,000 of Splitter's buy out, that means he'd have to pay the other $500,000 and would be coming here to play for only $200,000.

No one considers the possibility of Tau making a much better offer to extend his contract. We shouldn't underestimate the Euro teams financial resources in a bidding war. Splitter, a potential superstar in Europe, may be worth a lot more money to their team than he would to the Spurs as a role player.

Especially if he has a Spanish passport, as I believe he does. Spanish League teams have strict rules regarding the number of nationals they must have on their rosters and having a productive player (like Scola or Splitter) with one is invaluable.

[ploto]

I said this 2 years ago and it bears repeating- the Spurs have gone with the new strategy of drafting the Euros they want to stash in the first round where there are no future salary negotiations. When the CBA changed the nature of guranteed rookie contracts to only 2 years it makes sense. For this guy you are only looking at about $1.7M over 2 years if he comes next summer. If he does not work out it is not that big of an investment. Ian will come in for low financial risk, as well. The tough part IS the buy out issue. The Spurs could pay half but he would still be left paying $500,000 when he would only make about $800,000 before taxes, agent,... compared to his possible salary in Europe. So he would actually lose money that year.

[Mr. Body]

I said this 2 years ago and it bears repeating- the Spurs have gone with the new strategy of drafting the Euros they want to stash in the first round where there are no future salary negotiations.

I've said this as well and got in a huge fight over it with some of the greybeards of the board.

[ploto]

I've said this as well and got in a huge fight over it with some of the greybeards of the board.

Why-- it is apparent and understandable because of the whole Scola and Javtokas issues- who both will never be Spurs. The Spurs replaced them with Ian and Splitter for much less.

[Mr. Body]

I was saying the Spurs would have wanted Mahinmi in the late first round over the second round (if he had been available for both). They thought this was crazy, but clearly the guaranteed, very small salary appealed to the team.

[Bruno]

If Splitter buyout is $1M next summer it won't be a problem at all.
Splitter will have a $2M/2years guaranteed contract. Paying $500K for the buyout will leve him enoguh money, even after taxes.

[Rogbok]

With Scola, would it not be he should be able to sign with whoever next offseason due to his contract being up?

I also do not think that getting Splitter over next season will be very difficult.

So next offseason, if the Spurs do indeed stay intact, could end up with the bigs being Tim, Scola, Splitter, Ian, and Butler/Elson.

*shrugs* Should be interesting in how it all pans out.

[FromWayDowntown]

Two things:

1. It makes perfect sense to use late 1's on draft-and-stash candidates. Much more sense than using 2nd rounders for the same purpose. I think Mr. Body and ploto have made that abundantly clear; but I also think it's readily apparent to anyone who stops to think about the issue for even one moment.

2. I don't get the idea that the Spurs were going to draft a difference-making player at 28 or 33. You get lucky every so often and land a Parker, a Barbosa, a Howard, an Arenas, or a Boozer or something like that. But more frequently, at those spots you end up with an Udrih, a au, a Kleiza; players like Wayne Simien, David Harrison, Ndudi Ebi, Frank Williams, Chris Jeffries, Brandon Armstrong, or Erick Barkley.

If the Spurs are truly going to get better in a meaningful way for 2007-08, their best bet to do so is through free agency. Given their cap commitments for next season, their best chance to improve through free agency is with a sign-and-trade. And now the Spurs have some pieces that they can include in such a deal without gutting their existing roster to get it done.

[SenorSpur]

Two things:

1. It makes perfect sense to use late 1's on draft-and-stash candidates. Much more sense than using 2nd rounders for the same purpose. I think Mr. Body and ploto have made that abundantly clear; but I also think it's readily apparent to anyone who stops to think about the issue for even one moment.

2. I don't get the idea that the Spurs were going to draft a difference-making player at 28 or 33. You get lucky every so often and land a Parker, a Barbosa, a Howard, an Arenas, or a Boozer or something like that. But more frequently, at those spots you end up with an Udrih, a au, a Kleiza; players like Wayne Simien, David Harrison, Ndudi Ebi, Frank Williams, Chris Jeffries, Brandon Armstrong, or Erick Barkley.

If the Spurs are truly going to get better in a meaningful way for 2007-08, their best bet to do so is through free agency. Given their cap commitments for next season, their best chance to improve through free agency is with a sign-and-trade. And now the Spurs have some pieces that they can include in such a deal without gutting their existing roster to get it done.

Besides Barry, Udrih and Butler what other pieces were you referencing? IMO the Spurs do not have a lot of assets (outside of the big three) that teams would find attractive.