Sounds like the coaching sucks at Tau to me.
A young kid with his talents, doesn't improve?
What talents? He cant shoot (despite all of the write ups and a few highlight reels, Tiago is an inside player (check out his FT%))
he rebounds at a really poor clip (in Euroleague) and he doesn't block shots..... oh yeah, and he isnt a dominant force inside (again in euroleague)
Works with Chip England in the off and during the seasn problem solved.He cant shoot (despite all of the write ups and a few highlight reels, Tiago is an inside player (check out his FT%
Rebounding can be improved as well.he rebounds at a really poor clip (in Euroleague) and he doesn't block shots..... oh yeah, and he isnt a dominant force inside (again in euroleague)
Its not like were talking about a kid thats 25 27 like Scola who is prob done at improving.
Also the lack of blocked shots was blamed on him not cheating alot or at all on defense.
Something he would be able to do with Bowen and duncan around.
Once again. Hes 22. This is like getting a college graduate, who has potential.
I find it, very very hard to believe, with the Spurs coaching staff, he can't improve on his talents, and the tools that he has.
Im not buying it man, this kid has Rasho-lite stamped all over him for me. He might be a bit better than rasho, but even in his highlight reels, light footed is not a word i would use to describe him... at all.
I just cant imagine any player at that age with those kinds of minutes showing absolutely zero improvement what so ever.
That has to be a lack of talent, not coaching. Besides, the spurs arent know for being the best at developing talent (lets see there was Tony, and SJax i guess.... no other names really come to mind)
I think he's a lot better than you are giving him credit for. He was a shooter before going to Tau and also plays that role on the Brazilian national team. He is playing within a different defined team concept role at Tau...setting picks, moving without the ball, rebounding etc. Tau doesn't run plays for him and he is not a primary scorer. His shot has suffered a little because of that and his back problems this year...but Spurs have the best shooting coach in basketball. Splitter a smart guy, speaks four languages including English, Energy player, supposed to be very coachable...plus he's 7 foot and still has room to increase bulk/strength with a good trainer.
Exactly....Well, maybe a little critical. Tau does well annually, if I'm not mistaken. Regardless, the machine continues to grow. It amazing how every person plays such a significant role. Look at what Chip has done. I really like our assistants. I find ourselves building a remarkable staff, one in which not only drafts good talent, but will take that talent and make it fit within the organization. It seems most organization fail to see the significance of this. Now it seems Portland and Seattle have caught on....So much for CIA.
Well Robisnon, I know you wanted Josh McRoberts for some ungodknown reason cause IMO hes Cherokee Parks reborn.
Yeah Tony came in as a bad shooter, and turned into one of the clutchest shooters in the playoffs.That has to be a lack of talent, not coaching. Besides, the spurs arent know for being the best at developing talent (lets see there was Tony, and SJax i guess.... no other names really come to mind
Lets see, theres Oberto who couldn't make a FT or a jumper to save his life, now Argentines are shocked that he makes jumpers and Free Throws.
Michael Finley developed into a decent to mediocre defender.
I mean come on. Finley? DEFENDING?!?!
Once again. If hes brought over at 22 23, I have no doubt in my mind he will show more than hes shown in Tau.
After all the shennanigans I've heard going on from last year with mahinmi, Im convinced leaving euros in europe doesn't help their development as much as being with the team would.
Who are their GMs?Now it seems Portland and Seattle have caught on....So much for CIA.
In all fairness, Fin was a good individual defender until he went to a team that never played any.
You can't judge Tiago by a growth in Stats in the Euro league. If that was the case then we would have traded Scola for a lottery pick as he is now the number 1 scorer. Euro league play suppresses younger players. Minutes and plays are limited in a cold and calulated move to try and lock up the kids for 5 year contracts, while stunting their development. Tiago with the proper support may end up much better than you could ever imagine. For example, he has never been much of a shot blocker, but I gaurantee that we will learn to block shots at a high profiecent rate because that is what the Spurs do.
22 isn't a "young kid" any more. This guy had lottery written all over him 2-3 years ago. Why not now? He hit the wall in improvement. WYSIWYG.
It's just wrong to say that Splitter hasn't improved in 4 years with Tau.
He is improving year after year. This year he has been slowed in the first half of the season because of a back injury but has been very good in the second half of the season.
He isn't a rebounding machine but he is a very solid rebounder and defender.
X, you and I rarely disagree, but read a little deeper into the stats and history.. He played a very defined role at Tau and they didn't call plays for him...when Scola was out injured in '06 and he was called on to score he was hitting 20-10 on a regular basis. and 22 IS young for a post guy. 22 year old Wake Forest Tim Duncan was good but it's sure not the finished product Tim Duncan we know today..
I don't know if anyone posted this long vid of ONE whole game, not a highlight reel, of Splitter in a playoff game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ikO-JikXw
Check it out and tell me this guy can't play better than Elson right now. The only thing Oberto has on him is experience. He's agile, good hands on pick and roll, good defense, scores inside, crushing picks.
This kid can play, Maybe not an all-star, but he'll do. Good pick.
jesus h christ ona popsicle stick.22 isn't a "young kid" any more
22 ISNT YOUNG!?!?!?
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHH
I don't usually agree with T Park but I do in this case. I have watched a few games clips of him in game situations on YouTube and he looks like a very smart player. He does have skills around the basket, good hands, and seems to have an above average B-Ball IQ. Actually his "D" seems to be decent and shows he understands the basics of positioning on that end of the floor.
He is quicker than Rasho...contrary to want Robinson says....have you even seen him play at all be it in person or in clips on You Tube? Or are you just assuming these things because he is playing in Europe? He's not as quick as Elson but seems to be way smarter on the court than him.
I posted a 9 min part of a game in another thread too.
I agree with you...he would be a step up from Elson or Ely for that matter.
splitter
You need to check out this clip along with actually watch real time game film before you make such comments as "he can't shoot...he's an inside player....etc". Maybe those people doing the write-ups actually have seen him play and not just go on the box score stats. There are alot of other aspects of the game that never show up in the box score.
In this clip he dunks more in this than Rasho did during an entire season. He makes a few baseline jumpers, one at the top of the key, end even one around the 3pt line. Sure, he can improve....every player can....even Timmy (at the free throw line). "He isn't a dominant force inside"....again watch more than just box scores and 10 second clips to make a judgment. He is alot more dominant than Rasho ever was even on his best days.
exactly.
And if he isn't setting picks right, and doesnt do this and that right.
Hes twenty friggen three. I think the Spurs staff has time to coach him how.
Im not sure why you think I equate playing in europe with being slow.... there are tons of athlete's in the euroleague, but as i mentioned earlier i have yet to see a highlight reel that makes me think this kid is 1) athletic or 2) quick on his feet. I'm not going to go as far as saying he is as slow as rasho, but he isnt exactly nimble either.
You cant make a statement about someone's basketball IQ after watching a few highlights, bball IQ is something one notices over time, or at least after seeing a couple of complete games. Obviously a guy is going to do something good with the basketball in a clip on youtube. His D looks average to decent from what i can tell, a guy that doesnt rebound or block shots in europe isnt going to rebound or block shots in the NBA.
and again, i dont get how you can say this dude is smarter on the court than elson...based on a highlight reel....playing in a different league.
Because he isn't all that slow.....okay he's no Tony Parker....what the do you want DRob? I assume this this because really I can see no other basisIm not sure why you think I equate playing in europe with being slow....
for you saying he is slow footed. Besides, speed isn't everything.
I'll tell you who kinda reminds me of...I may be crazy though...Jack Sikma. If he turns out to be similar to Sikma, I'd be very happy with him.
One problem with this statement is I have watched more than "a few highlights" on You tube....I have actually watched real time game footage...like 10-15 segments. You are the one that seems to be basing there opinion on "a few highlights".You cant make a statement about someone's basketball IQ after watching a few highlights,
If you can show me other clips of him to support your POV, then by all means put them here on this forum and I'll check them out....then we'll see and compare thoughts.Obviously a guy is going to do something good with the basketball in a clip on youtube.
Last edited by cherylsteele; 06-30-2007 at 02:10 PM.
It was rumored that he can shoot...and im sure anyone can work hard enough to find a few clips of him making shots, but that doesnt mean he'll be a consistant shooter in the nba.....besides most people that cant shoot 60% FTs tend to be poor shooters
and its a ing highlight reel. none of those dunks look particularly strong either
Is duncan a poor shooter?besides most people that cant shoot 60% FTs tend to be poor shooters
just because hes a bad rebounder in euroleague doesn't mean he'll be a bad rebounder in the NBA.His D looks average to decent from what i can tell, a guy that doesnt rebound or block shots in europe isnt going to rebound or block shots in the NBA.
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