No .
I'm pretty sure that's what those plates are located on the outside of vehicles is for, to be identifyed.
I don't know where you get this bull but shut the up.factor that in with foreign ownership and the north american union, rick perry- toll roads are neocons dream
Im a conservative and Im 100% against toll roads.
paying money to use roads, that tax money can easily go to to build and maintain is re ulas.
i am correct on all those assumptions
the bottom line is tollroads, foreign ownership, north american union are neocons dream
they count on prowar people who like 24 and have OnStar* to support this
You do realize that a local San Antonio runned contractor will build the roads. This particular contractor dumps more money into this city then a majority of businesses in the area (they even own part of your beloved Spurs).
Furthermore, this particular contractor will provide jobs for the next decade once this thing starts.
Finally, after a brief period, this contractor even gets a large chunk of the tolls and thus provides more and more money for the local economy, infrastructure, tourism, etc.
This is a beneficial idea.
I'm not a huge fan of the TTC, but 1604 in San Antonio will benefit many more then it will hurt.
where i get what from tpark?
north american union has been ANNOUNCED
these tollroads are owned by FOREIGN companies
you like 24
these are facts
Absolutely, but the amount of money needed to expand 1604, 281, etc, are far beyond what we pay in taxes.
And you know as well as I do, that what we pay in taxes doesn't always reach what it's supposed to.
Short sighted, narrow minded, uninformed people like yourself are the problem.
not to mention its been proven that building more roads (tolls, lanes, expansion) is not a long term solution to traffic problems
but tparkShort sighted, narrow minded, uninformed people like yourself are the problem.
-doesnt know where i get that bull from
You know what is the long term solution?
Mass-transit systems such as light rail would be a wonderful idea. It's cleaner, more cost effective, and helps everyone.
Having said that, the brilliant law makers of San Antonio deemed it a bad idea.
So there you have it.
By the way, the mayor that helped make that decision, he was a democrat.
Toll roads in San Antonio isn't a partisanship issue. If you want that, start a TTC thread.
The average cost of toll roads can range from $2,000 to $4,000 per year for an average family. You don't think that concerns anyone?Oh Good God, fine, then they need to raise taxes throughout Bexar County in order to pay for an expansion that won't be tolled.
I'm sure the folks that don't plan on and never use northern 1604 would love to do that.
A percentage of Sales Tax is already dedicated to road expansion/maintenance.
I'm not arguing for or against it ... but because of where I live my main concern is whether or not I'll even be able to get out of my house without it costing me money.
you have to be honest with yourself SW
do I like 24?
am i for the north american union?
am I prowar?
would i buy a car with OnStar*?
if you answer yes to one or more of these questions- tollroads are for you
The average cost of toll roads can range from $2,000 to $4,000 per year for an average family. You don't think that concerns anyone?
A percentage of Sales Tax is already dedicated to road expansion/maintenance.
I'm not arguing for or against it ... but because of where I live my main concern is whether or not I'll even be able to get out of my house without it costing me money.
You're right, that obviously does concern folks, but as I said earlier the taxes we already have in place A.) aren't enough so they'd have to be raised for everyone, and B.) most of the tax money doesn't get to the folks it's supposed to (thank your local government for that one).
As for your concern about getting out of your house, come on, you know as well as I know that the way 1604 looks nowadays on the north side, you won't have to even get off the frontage road to get to an HEB, Stripmall, luxury mall, cigar shop, sushi place, Chili's (thrown in for Buddy Holly), and everything else you could possibly need.
Sure that trip to work is going to go up some, but it would go up anyway if they raised gas taxes.
And speaking of gas, a refinery just outside of Beumont just went into a shutdown for maintenance work over labor day weekend and will soon be opening back up. This particular refinery produces 5% of our countries gasoline. While it was a ty time to go into a shutdown, prices should come down a bit when it opens back up.
You, Clambake, and nbaDan are the same person aren't you?
no, i dont like 24
yea i am for the nau
no pro war
yea i got onstar
I am VERY interested in hearing your arguement for the north american union
you can do it here or start a thread in the club or political forum
please do so, i feel it would lead to fascinating discussion
Why don't you start the thread since you're the one that wants to discuss it.
I dont think any American would be for it
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it will be a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America..
whats wrong with that?
Let's all be one.
I think its ing ridiculous.
Yes they clear up traffic problems and are most definitely a "god send" in the short term, but imagine living in a city and near a toll road for 10 years.
After said ten years of driving in relatively less traffic (they still have traffic, the one i take to work goes slow as sometimes) how much money have you sunk into using a foreign nation's road on your own nation's soverign soil?
You coulda invested that money in a mutual fund and have some extra backing in case something awful happened like an incredibly high expense or you were laid off, etc.
I get the whole "the only reason they're foreign owned is because local companies don't want to do it" and that's true to an extent but you have to keep in mind the reasons why a local company does not want to do it. When you have a Neocon's wet dream as your governor, he doesn't exactly make it easy when his agenda is blatantly to get it foreign owned.
So I take toll roads. What effects me here and now is going to get a quicker response as opposed to the long term. Even if it means if I take this road for 10 years I'll kill myself when I see the total sum spent. I'm human and I like to sleep an extra 15 minutes to get 6.2 hours of sleep instead of less. So I take toll roads. But I hate it, and don't buy into all the propaganda they feed Marriotts as to the advantages.
I am all for the ghost idea of making a road toll to pay it off, but when do we see that anymore? It was just a ploy to make it easier to have permanent toll roads. Politics 101.
What we really need, what we have needed for about 100 years, is an energy efficient mass transit system in the state of Texas. This state of ours is not unlike a small country, with big cities stretching throughout its land. How ing awesome would it be if you could take a state of the art monorail from san antonio to dallas to go to someone's graduation ceremony? Or if I took one from dallas to austin to spend a day or two with a buddy?
But it'll never happen. It should but it wont because while it benefits the majority of the Texas population it does not benefit those who are in control, pulling the politicans strings and guzzling all of our money not unlike our vehicles that guzzle gas waiting in traffic, sitting there, wasting valuable time "like lemmings into shiny metal boxes" as Sting says in the song Synchronicity.
i have it on good authority that mookie is a neocon north american union spy sent to spy on libs. after the UN one world government movement fizzled new tactics were needed.
good post.
i would LOVE a light rail system.
bottom line on tolls is that i dont give a how we do it, be it toll roads, free roads, tax money, whatever...i just want the congestion on the highways to become managble
i dont think its too much to ask to drive without having to sit in traffic for 2 hours each afternoon
Good points, but the only company sinking money into it are both a San Antonio contractor and Cintra. Sure it costs to engineer the thing, but it's pennies compared to what Cintra is putting up.I think its ing ridiculous.
Yes they clear up traffic problems and are most definitely a "god send" in the short term, but imagine living in a city and near a toll road for 10 years.
After said ten years of driving in relatively less traffic (they still have traffic, the one i take to work goes slow as sometimes) how much money have you sunk into using a foreign nation's road on your own nation's soverign soil?
Again, foriegn investment in the first place.You coulda invested that money in a mutual fund and have some extra backing in case something awful happened like an incredibly high expense or you were laid off, etc
Local companies outside of the top 15 contractors in the United States cannot afford to do this job, the risk in highway work is un ing believable and they wouldn't be willing to put up the cash.I get the whole "the only reason they're foreign owned is because local companies don't want to do it" and that's true to an extent but you have to keep in mind the reasons why a local company does not want to do it. When you have a Neocon's wet dream as your governor, he doesn't exactly make it easy when his agenda is blatantly to get it foreign owned.
Probably, but it's still the only solution in San Antonio.So I take toll roads. What effects me here and now is going to get a quicker response as opposed to the long term. Even if it means if I take this road for 10 years I'll kill myself when I see the total sum spent. I'm human and I like to sleep an extra 15 minutes to get 6.2 hours of sleep instead of less. So I take toll roads. But I hate it, and don't buy into all the propaganda they feed Marriotts as to the advantages.
I am all for the ghost idea of making a road toll to pay it off, but when do we see that anymore? It was just a ploy to make it easier to have permanent toll roads. Politics 101.
I couldn't agree more, but we can place most of the thanks for that with Southwest Airlines. They were and continue to be the largest lobbyists against this concept, which really isn't that difficult to understand why.What we really need, what we have needed for about 100 years, is an energy efficient mass transit system in the state of Texas. This state of ours is not unlike a small country, with big cities stretching throughout its land. How ing awesome would it be if you could take a state of the art monorail from san antonio to dallas to go to someone's graduation ceremony? Or if I took one from dallas to austin to spend a day or two with a buddy?
But it'll never happen. It should but it wont because while it benefits the majority of the Texas population it does not benefit those who are in control, pulling the politicans strings and guzzling all of our money not unlike our vehicles that guzzle gas waiting in traffic, sitting there, wasting valuable time "like lemmings into shiny metal boxes" as Sting says in the song Synchronicity.
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