he doesnt run the team....and he attempts to play defense...he couldnt guard any pg we put him on during the playoffs....and when jacque vaughn takes a jumpshot..i consider that a bad possesion...u hold ur breath everytime
It is very hard to find a player as good as Vaughn who does not need to shoot or get mad if he getrs limited minuted. He is the perfect veteran for the spurs and is good not great. Role players are required. Besides beno will improve and get more time if he stays.
well if he stays pop needs to stop with the
pg-vaughn
sg-manu
sf-bowen
pf-horry/elson
c-oberto
no more of that
yeah, pop dont know what the he doin
No offense in that lineup AT ALL besides Ginobili. And he's not really a first option.
crackhead dallas, gino and oberto can score and bowen and vaughn can hit the open j. besides it is great for defense so they don't have to score much
yes i kno..that was pops way of "getting manu going" i hated it when he would do that...ur basically giving the other team a chance to make a run...pick and roll with manu all night long...
ya since vaughn is a lockdown, alongside with oberto and horry...
spurs should always have 2 of the 3 on the court at all costs..
Brevin Knight's jumper is WAY worse than Jacques'. Someone with the (misplaced) word coach in their handle should at least know the games of the players he's pimping.
did i ever say he could shot alot better than jacques??
nope..
jacque vaughn dreams about being the point guard brevin knight is
Jacques Vaughn IS the PG that Knight is. They're the same ing player: quick ,heady playmakers who couldn't make a jumper to save their lives.
Vaughn shots 46.2% on jumpers in his first season with Chip. That's better than most point guard in the league.
Where Vaughn gets in trouble is when he tries to drive the ball to the basket.
If you want to compare, Manu shot 33% on his midrange jumpers and Parker shot 42.2% on his. I have no problem with Vaughn shooting his midrange jumper as he's one of the best on the team at hitting that shot.
Just for the sake of reference, here are the closest combinations I can find to that one and how they fared in playoff games:
1. Pop used a lineup of
Vaughn
Ginobili
Bowen
Horry
Oberto
in 8 games for a total of 15:09 of playing time during the playoffs. That group was +8 during that time.
2. Pop used a lineup of
Vaughn
Ginobili
Finley
Horry
Oberto
in 5 games for a total of 14:46 of playing time. That group was +9 during that time.
3. Pop used a lineup of
Vaughn
Ginobili
Bowen
Barry
Oberto
in 4 games for a total of 6:40 of playing time. That group was +6 during that time.
4. Pop used a lineup of
Vaughn
Ginobili
Barry
Finley
Oberto
in 4 games for a total of 5:20 of playing time. That group was +1 during that time.
5. Pop used a lineup of
Vaughn
Barry
Bowen
Elson
Oberto
in 1 game for a total of 4:08 of playing time. That group was +2 during that time.
6. Pop used a lineup of
Vaughn
Ginobili
Bowen
Finley
Oberto
in 1 game for a total of 1:46 of playing time. That group was +2 during that time.
Feel free to go searching for other combinations: http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo...ager.offset=25
those were pointless...and those numbers are not productive
In the playoffs, those + numbers are ing HUGE. The games are closer and much more tightly contested.
Why? Because they just torpedoed your argument?
Anyway . . .
That was Vaughn playing with the sort of bad offensive units that you're worried about. And, somehow, with those bad offensive units, the Spurs outscored their opponents.
I'll take a backup point guard who can give me a positive plus/minus every day of the week. If you don't understand the value of that, you didn't watch the 2006 Western Conference Semifinal series against Dallas very closely.
Even if it's only +1 or +2, it's substantially better than falling behind because Parker is on the bench -- particularly because the Spurs are generally going to outscore their opponents when Parker is on the floor.
ok ok ok ok...all that said...JACQUE VAUGHN IS GARBAGE!!!
Except when he's helping the Spurs win championships.
But please, front office, whatever you do this summer, be sure to bring in someone, anyone but Jacque Vaughn!!! Coachmac can't stand that the Spurs just have a very steady guy playing the point and that they get consistent but never spectacular play from that guy. We need some flash, baby -- more steals, more penetration, more threes!!!
ya spurs wouldnt have a le without jacque vaughn!! and yea ill take more steals, assists, penetration....and GO FOR 3!!!
:new word... torpedoed!!
Worst response in internets history. Bring it like you mean it couchmac87 or don't bring it at all.
I spoke too soon.:new word... torpedoed!!
Exactly. Dribble the ball up and pass it. If it comes back to you and you are wide open, shoot it. Never ever drive the ball to the basket. Play defense and hustle. If Vaughn does all of that next year then he will be a fine backup PG for this team. Plus it will be his second year in the system.
For everyone who wants to ship out Jacque - I don't know what you want from a backup PG. Their job is to run the offense, not turn the ball over, hit open shots, play at least decent defense, and just generally not screw things up. Vaughn did all of that well last year. Why bring in someone new who would be a marginal upgrade at best? Or maybe the new guy can't fit in at all. With Vaughn you know what you are getting.
After playing well in the second half of the regular season, Vaughn's offense sucked during the playoffs with the key advantage of not sucking as much as Beno. His defense was ok except that he couldn't even slow down Nash. But like almost every player that comes to the Spurs, he should be better in his second year. It is fool's gold to expect a new player to fully adapt to the Spurs in his first year.
Not too sure why people prefer knight over vaughn, they have the same in game. If you want different, then get chucky atkins, but i promise if you dont like Vaughn's game, youre not going to like Knights.
Vaughn will suffice.
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