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yup, butler is better than all of those guys, except for scola. looks like the smarts behind the front office is now sitting in Seattle.
Hermes not only had long arms but everyone was talking about his quick step that = explosiveness and acceleration which often = success to some degree
I have not watched any of the games but I still don't get the hate on Butler's defense. So far its like he's been slow, but if he's still supposedly 20 pounds overweight still, and only a year into his weight management program, he will get quicker by continuing to lose weight wont he?
yup, butler is better than all of those guys, except for scola. looks like the smarts behind the front office is now sitting in Seattle.
maybe the person in seattle was the problem with domestic scouting
Marcus Williams
18.6 minutes
3.6 points
2.4 rebounds
1.0 assists
1.6 turnovers
7-for-28 from the field
4-for-8 from the line
And of those seven made baskets, one of him was a scoring error (he got credit for a Donnell Harvey basket), one of them was a goal tend of a shot that wasn't going in and a third one was when the guy who was guarding slipped on a wet spot on the court.
And he's the keeper.
Classic.
I didn't get that from this article. Maybe they think they both suck ass, but they have a better chance to sucker someone into taking 20 something year old Butler's contract than 30 something year old Elson's. Even if both signings are busts, the Spurs didn't get locked into anything long term or expensive. Elson is an ending contract, and Butler is virtually one, having a TEAM option for 08-09.
I've seen some of Butler's skill set, but if he truly isn't "getting" the defense, then he's really of no use.
What's un ing real is how you continue to deflect all blame from Pop and Holt
Farewell Jackie Butler, we hardly knew thee."I think the next thing for him is to obviously get in a situation where he can play some minutes. I think if he was ever in a situation where he could play and knew his minutes were coming, I think you would see a guy who would certainly improve."
That situation, however, doesn't figure to be with the Spurs, who are deep and experienced at the center and power forward positions with Tim Duncan, Fabricio Oberto, Robert Horry, Francisco Elson and Matt Bonner.
Seriously though, if we turn Butler into a salary dump to get under the cap for some future draft pick or some , I am going to be majorly pissed at this front office.
If the Spurs organization did not have such a notorious reputation for doing stuff like what AHF just mentioned, we'd actually have more leverage to trade this guy for something decent. But teams will hold back cuz they know we'll gladly accept a lowball offer.
Hmmmm ... now with Seattle having a $9M+ trade exception, how about Butler and Barry to Seattle for a future second round pick? Then use the money saved to sign someone like Posey, Pietrus or Barnes. I could live with that.
That trade makes decent sense for the Sonics. They need a shooting guard and veteran experience -- Barry would provide both. Butler would give them a young, low post threat. The Sonics are trying to open cap space in two years and those two players work for that plan.
If the Sonics don't want to hurt their future cap space, that could make some sense for them.
The only problem I see is that unless they're ready to cut one of their current guys loose, it seems like the last thing the Sonics need is another project center.
Swift, and especially Petro, and double especially Sene can barely catch a ball let alone put it in the hoop. They are beyond 'raw talents'. you could not possibly get more raw than Sene, i dont think he played organised basketball before he was drafted. Butler knows how to play the game, and he is blessed with great hands and can make a pass.
But, your right. The Sonics, well the OLD Sonics seemed to be high on all three of these guys. I think they would ship off one of them for Butler.
i think going for a trade exception is def. the way to go. Whats Barry's and Butler's salary make up? $8 mil? I think we could get one of those guys you mentioned for around 6 possibly rhus keeping us under or just at/over the threshhold.
the spurs would make that trade and stand pat.
Trading Jackie Butler for nothing is absolutely sickening.
Un ing real.
GET RID OF ING ELSON IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF A ING BIG YOU ASSHOLES!!!!
Butler had 11 points and six rebounds during 31 minutes as the Spurs concluded their schedule here Wednesday with a 79-68 loss to Minnesota. With the exception of his foul trouble, the 22-year-old center was one of the Spurs' best players during the five games, averaging 12.2 points and 7.0 rebounds, both highs for the team.The Spurs also don't have the luxury of sending Butler to Austin to play in the Development League because he's already been in the NBA for more than two seasons. And while Butler has impressed some scouts with his footwork, soft hands and instincts, those same scouts question whether he will ever be successful playing in the Spurs' defensive system, which requires the team's big men to make reads and communicate scheme changes to teammates.So Butler is young and dumb. What does that make Elson, old and stupid? If any big should have been in Vegas proving himself it should have been Francisco. Since when did Elson master Spurs Defense?Butler's biggest problem was foul trouble, and referees lacking NBA experience exasperated his struggles. Players are allowed up to 10 personal fouls in summer league. Butler picked up eight in two games and seven in another.
"I thought he had a very physical mentality," Newman said. "But as the game goes on, you have to learn how to adjust."
The Spurs are setting themselves up to lose some of the young talent they've been able to pick up advantageously over the last year. I can easily see them shedding Butler and White for nothing, hoping against hope that Williams finds a way to not suck with the Toros, and bringing Udrih back for another tour of duty. Plus giving up Scola for nothing.
Swift is talented around the basket.
The kid has great footwork, soft hands, and is aggressive.
He has a nice hook too.
The Sonics are excited about him. He has bulked up, and you can not blame him for his development....he was literally a teen with potential when he was drafted and then had the injury.....
He should do wonders this season.
LJ - Cleveland also had a decent trade exception (I wanna say like 6 million or so).
That should put Udrih to good use.
Trading a raw young big with Butler's skills is pretty stupid. There is not a basketball reason to provide the impetus to move him. With one, if not two spots opening up next summer in the bigman rotation now is not the time. All fans of the Spurs' luxury tax avoidance tactics should rejoice. You know who you are.
Before I forget, did the Spurs draft Williams as a favor to Elliott?
Spurs do not favor domestic players. They're building the international team of this milleninium.
Exactly.
The Spurs are acting like they can shed bigman talent because they are overloaded with quality prospects. But in fact, they aren't that loaded.
-Oberto was great in the playoffs. But he sucked for 90% of the regular season. There's a chance he reverts back to regular season form.
-Elson has the rawness of a 21-year-old and the birth certificate of a 31-year-old. He'll excite Spurs fans every fifth game but that's about it.
-Horry can fall off the cliff at any point. You can say he fell off the cliff in three out of the last five seasons. Not to mention this is his last year.
-Bonner is a good piece but he's not more than a 7th or 8th man in a rotation.
-Mahinmi is athletic and fouls people. Not much to go on as far as being good at basketball.
-Splitter is good but he hasn't improved much in the last five years. He could be the future Brazilian Elson if he fails to ever improve again.
Butler and Scola are the two bigmen the Spurs have who actually have some sort of star potential. They are the only two low post scorers. If you want to eventually make things easier for Tim, these are two players who can take some of that low post scoring burden.
But now the Spurs are going to sell them off. And on top of that, they are selling the two players when their value isn't even that high. Then again, the Spurs always seem to sell low for some reason. Who is the last player they sold high?
Bottomline is the Spurs are overconfident in their assortment of bigmen and because of that, they are selling off the two who actually have some type of scoring upside.
Fantastic
ok im sorry but is it just me or did johnny ludden and rc say that cj watson was doing alright??? huh...i thought i made a thread about that...
i think its hilarious how some many people are jumping off the james white bandwagon. the next spurs project...SPYDA!!!!(AND 1) why not try AIR UP THERE
not sure if i approve of that....spurs need some domestic players..people dont use their international players as a reason of getting no love in the states...because their great players are not from the states!!!
and come to think of it...looking at the draft and the ones before it..the best players are all domestic..spurs just dont have the luxury of being in the lottery..oh well
Nah, I think it will be a shame to lose White at this point. When he was called upon in the last regular season to play he did very well. He certainly looked like he understood Spurs basketball and that's great considering that he was thrown into the fire.i think its hilarious how some many people are jumping off the james white bandwagon. the next spurs project...SPYDA!!!!(AND 1) why not try AIR UP THERE
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