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Hey, we have to put up with yours.
Here's two for you:Two words:
PRIVATE JET.
Here's another two:
PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
COMMON COURTESY
I brought a couple more just in case:
PARENTAL INTERVENTION
By the way, thanks for your insight.
Hey, we have to put up with yours.
There is a difference between a kid being fussy and a kid being obnoxious and the parents not doing anything about it. Sounds like this kid, though, was being neither.
I agree with the "take your kid outside" take when it comes to movies or a restaurant. If the kid is being obnoxious he/she doesn't deserve the movie and if the kid is not feeling well, they should be home anyway.
Traveling is different. Should a child be allowed to disturb other passengers? No. Everyone on that flight deserves courtesy. But just because a child is making noise, doesn't not mean the parent is letting it happen. The kid could be scared or not feeling well. Unless the child is being destructive, he/she and the parents should be allowed to stay.
In this post 9/11 world, maybe the flight attendant thought "Bye-bye, plane" was a threat.
Me too.
As parents sometimes we have to make sacrifices like not being able to go the the movies or sit down in a nice restaurant, especially if we have kids that can't sit still.
Exactly! There are so many different scenarios and bad parenting is one of them.
I'm talking flights over 4-5 hours. And yes, their should be an age limit on transcontinental flights IMO. Short of that, parents should be prepared to drug their kids if they become that unruly.
You know a airplane is a big bus with wings right?
When you get onto a bus you run the risk of sitting next to a large person, someone who stinks, a screaming kid, or an asshole (like yourself).
An age limit on transcontinental flights? OK, so I guess military personnel stationed overseas for more than a year are no longer allowed to take their children with them because it might inconvenience people.
If it's a long flight, how about YOU drug yourself so you don't have to deal with it?
What's the reason for the split views on this?
Is it whether you're a parent and understand that no matter how good your parenting skills are sometimes your kid will act up in a place you can't leave?
Or is it age/maturity level?
I don't have kids, so not sure its a parenting thing. But I have taken my nephews on flights plenty of times and when I was younger had to fly a lot for custody reasons. So I guess from experience I just see things differently.
Exactly. I could understand this if the kid was throwing a temper tantrum. This was just normal behavior for a child.
I've had no trouble removing my children from a theatre/restaurant/church when they got cranky, but this is totally different.
From the looks of things, we have quite a few posters who don't have children yet, and they're in for a rude awakening.
In a perfect world, all our kids would keep quiet when we want them to. In the real world, it just doesn't work that way.
Mature thinking. Don't have to be a parent to have it.
I'm not the apprentice adult screaming my head off. I'm trying to read a book or something in spite of the screamer. Besides, they need a lower level of medication and they're not driving a motor vehicle once they land.
And just to make a point here, I'm ing about the parents that can't handle their wailing banshee offspring. Those millions of parents who can keep their kids under control on a plane, whether by good parenting, bribery, or fear of a beating, have my utmost respect.
There's a difference between a kid being so loud and obnoxious that it makes it unbearable for any people around him/her and a kid just talking too much and being annoying to some with little patience. This case seems like the latter.
I see your point, and I agree. If a child is out of line completely and the parents do nothing, that sucks. But I also think that happens far less than people think. We always tend to remember the ty experiences, and forget that for every idiot parent on a flight with their screaming kid, there were prolly a dozen kids who were well-behaved or asleep the whole time.
It's jsut like the thread with teh kid who got sodomized by the pit bull. All the pit bull lovers want to say 'blame the parent'. It's the same thing here.
Also, I would venture to say that the ones who protest the loudest about kids in here, I bet they were the exact same way when they were kids.
Exactly, because those "other" posters MUST have been Angels when they were snot-nosed brats and their parents took them EVERYWHERE.From the looks of things, we have quite a few posters who don't have children yet, and they're in for a rude awakening.
The point about screaming kids on a plane is well made. It sucks, but what are you gonna do? Clearly the lady that got kicked off this plane should get to kick that flight attendant dead in her ass.
I fly somewhere between 12-15 times a year and have for about the last four years or so, with most flights being about 3.5 hours (Dallas to NY). Before that I flew a lot less, but what I still consider more than most people, about every six to eight weeks or so.
I'm not pulling out my air travel for measurement purposes here, but I think I know what I'm talking about.
I theoretically blame it on two things. One, more and more places are becoming kid-friendly these days, having "kids stay free" promotions or other incentives. So more kids (and people that travel a lot know this) are flying than they used to and perhaps it's just a matter of numbers rather than parenting. , even the blissful, hungover silence of a trip back from Vegas gets wailers these days.
Secondly, there's just less courtesy these days when it comes to people and their kids on a plane. Screaming kids used to be something that would happen upon take-off and the initial climb, then silence afterwards. People used to be embarrassed that their offspring was throwing a fit. Now if offends the parents when their fellow passengers complain about the racket their kids are throwing. I'm shocked when I travel and not have a banshee on board.
From the looks of things, we have quite a few posters who don't have children yet, and they're in for a rude awakening.
In a perfect world, all our kids would keep quiet when we want them to. In the real world, it just doesn't work that way.
I'm traveling almost weekly to Atlanta and FL, with some short flights to DFW, so I see it all the time.
Again, if a screaming kid gets on your nerves that much, then you have other issues. Does it bother me, sure, but to say they should not travel is stupid. If the parent is doing nothing to help stop the screaming, yeah i would not like that. But hey, there is nothing you can do about it, so how does it benefit you to be piss.
I'm like you and surpised when I don't have a screaming kid on the plane. I expect it, have my ipod, movie or something to read. Most cases the parents are trying to do anything to quiet the kid and you just have to ride it out. I'm sure they're not comfortable with it and you staring and making comments don't make it easier, because the kids since the frustration and anxiiety the parents are experincing.
gigantic DITTO to this entire post, very well put.
and I wanted to add that I'm actually very shocked the toddler wasn't throwing a huge fit and being uber cranky after an 11 hr layover.
Maybe the flight attendant shoulda took a nap before she boarded the plane.
Most babies and toddlers will cry at take off and landing because of the change in pressure, but usually are fine once they are up in the air. When my oldest was around 15 months, we flew from Oakland to John Wayne and as we started landing he started screaming. Tried having him drink water, chew something, nothing worked. What are you gonna do?
Luckily, my kids were always well behaved in restaurants when they were little. Mainly because we would eat on THEIR schedule. If your kid eats at 5 and you go at 7, then they might get a little cranky.
However, now at almost 12 and 14.5, I don't even let them sit next to each other or we'll have the punching game.
J-6 and Disgruntled sound like they don't have a clue about the challenges of being a parent.
Travelling with a child is pretty stressful. I doubt any parent wants their kid bothering others on a flight.
I don't care how good a parent you are, there is no reasoning with a two yo. If there is an obnoxious whiny tantrum throwing 6yo then passenegrs have every right to be upset with the parent but under age 3, ya just never know what may set that kid off.
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