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Potential is everything in the NBA and bigs are expensive. The Rockets just got two cheap bigs (one with high potentianl) for a second rounder. And on top of it, they ditched Spanoulis. How is that anything but lopsided?
I still say neither of them have been tested to any degree so not a big deal IMO. I just think that the FO is pretty good at what they do, but it does seem like they gave and got nothing.
Potential is everything in the NBA and bigs are expensive. The Rockets just got two cheap bigs (one with high potentianl) for a second rounder. And on top of it, they ditched Spanoulis. How is that anything but lopsided?
Jackie may have shown up out of shape, but he worked his ass off to get back into shape....or rather, to get into shape for the first time in his life. Pop & Co. were too busy raving about how fast Elson could run to give Butler a legitimate shot at competing for a slot, so I don't want to hear that nonsense.
Look, obviously the Spurs FO saw enough of Jackie to think that he would never live up to his $2.5M contract with the Spurs. I just don't agree....and I think he'll surpass the expectations that come with a sub-$3M contract when he plays with the Rockets. He may have been the "filler", but I think he'll be a welcomed suprise for Rocket fans.
And on Scola, I understand that he would never have played for the Spurs, having felt spurned and disrespected (legitimate or not). But wouldn't it be better for the Spurs to just keep Scola overseas, rather than facing him 4 times a year? Is facing him 4 times a year really worth a 2009 second round pick? IMO, the answer is no.
Both have pretty good potential. Spurs just sold it for $6.8 mil. We'll see if they were correct.
The ghost of Red McCombs and Bob Bass haunting the Spurs? No one did it cheaper than them.
Holt was ready to let Parker walk over a couple mil. Beno could've been starting for the last couple of seasons. Think about that.
w/o Duncan begging for him to stay he'd be long gone
and w/o Bowen taking LESS money Manu would be in Denver
This trade was lopsided for the last reason you gave (Spurs got nothing in return)...
It will be absolute highway robbery if Scola and/or Butler turn out to be productive players for a team in the division.
Tony Parker was finals MVP - at a steal of a price. Think about THAT.
After Pop, no less, went public.
Fully expect this to happen. He'd be nuts to walk away from money legally owed him.
Spurs won't call his bluff.
Everyone that comes into the league has potential. The draft if full of upside potential. How many of those guys live to see a day in the NBA?
Look, if we all got paid based on our potential, I would have convinced someone by now that I'm worth at least 6 figures annually. I have the potential to do the job I swear.
Luckily (not for me) in the real world you don't get paid for potential, you get paid for ability.
Everyone is acting like Scola is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Um, you do realize the best player on the planet plays on our team, right?
As someone said earlier, the Spurs are working with real dollars, and made a choice based on those real dollars. Put any of us in their situation, and we probably get fleeced really badly. Anybody swears they can be a great GM, but the fact that there are so few in the NBA proves it's not realistic.
This statement is very much up for debate, and it's the key to understanding the whole trade.
IF Butler, Scola, Splitter, and Mahinmi wind up playing next year, we'll see.
I'm surprised to see Scola is suddenly ready to pack his bags. That just confirms for me that he was ing the Spurs around, and never really wanted to come here in the first place. Which suprises me, since Manu and Oberto are here, and I thought they were all good friends. But whatever.
Mahinmi could wind up being better than either Scola or Butler. On the other hand, Scola or Butler could blossom and make the Spurs pay for this trade. The reality is, all 4 are raw talented big men, and all 4 haven't done to prove they can be NBA players. We'll have to see how this plays out.
Personally, I'm going to trust the Spurs FO on this one. I think after 4 les they've earned a LITTLE bit of trust.
He always wanted to come play for the Spurs. His biggest desire was to play in the NBA, for whatever team, but the Spurs didn't want him. It's no big surprise that he's coming over the instant an NBA team wants him and is able to get him (not blocked by the Spurs org).
The ing was done by San Antonio.
Scola didn't want to play for SA this summer and has said that he only wanted to play for certains teams.
knowing that, you shouldn't be surprised that Spurs get almost nothing for him.
He changed his tune when it was clear the Spurs wore the dunce cap. There were several other offers for Scola on the table, if you failed to read about them. Trading him to a division rival badly in need of him was worse than senseless.
Perhaps this is severence pay to the Rockets for luring away Dennis Lindsey.
Does anyone know when and why "the milk turned sour" between Scola and Spurs management?
As other people have said in this thread, Scola has balked at coming over for the Spurs, Tau has made his contract impossible to get out of for 3 years now, and the Spurs have been shopping him to teams for the last 2 years, with NO TAKERS.
I don't think Scola is worth the headache they've gotten, and there's no proof he's going to be as great as everyone is hoping. The NBA is different than Tau, and I think Scola is going to be in for a rude awakening. Big men have to play a very different style of game over here. At best, it will take him (and Mahinmi and Splitter) a year to adjust. At that point, Scola will be almost 28(?) while our guys will be 22, 23.
Butler worked his ass off to get into shape, but let's see how well that lasts. Big men who struggle to stay in shape have a poor legacy in the NBA: Jerome James, Eddy Curry come to mind. Shaq has fared the best, obviously, but it's arguable that he could be a much, much better player (defensively, at least) if he could stay in shape.
The more I think about this, the more I think the Spurs probably did the right thing here.
Exactly. We talk about developing talent a lot on this board and it just seems to be that the faces changed for less money. Good, right? I certainly think so.
For me, I'll take the ? of Mahinmi over Butler simply because he is working and obviously wants to be here. I like his style and he will be a cheap Elson replacement once he's shipped out next year (?). Splitter fits the mold and we don't have to put up with Scola's ing for minutes. Maybe he won't but you have to think that "the most highly touted" PF, Euro prospect of the last 2-3 years will want some minutes. Eh, we have Timmy and last time I checked he's pretty good. Still.
I'll take the salary dump for an exchange of players and the opportunity to take a few more chances on the end of the bench and, hopefully, sign a nice FA that can be a real contributor either this summer or next.
How do you know that ?
Bulls were interested but it's nto sure that Scola was interested in them.
The cavs/Spurs/Kings failled but Spurs likely weren't the team that say no in this thread.
Because the Spurs couldn't have received a 2nd round pick for Scola's rights from the Bulls or Cavs? Come on. It's clear why the Spurs went with this deal. At least 6.8 million reasons why.
Ian is at least 2 or 3 years from even being a borderline NBA quality player. Scola will start next season for the Rockets.
"The ing was done by ... "
Scola's 10-year contract and exorbitant contract buy-outs.
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