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    Not to mention addind Mike James, Bonzi coming back, and drafting a point guard chucker in Brooks.
    Im not saying the guy cant be good in the NBA, but some people here are making it seem like its a given that Scola will come in right away and put up 17 and 8.
    Look at all the players that have come over from Argentina, not one jas come over and made an immediate impact, but yet Scola will be a monster on a team where hes probably not even going to get many shots.

    I think 8 points and 4 rebounds is more realistic
    Herrmann was a stud last season When He finally got a chance,and it was his roockie season.

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    Herrmann was a stud last season When He finally got a chance,and it was his roockie season.
    Scoring in bunches on a horrible team for the last 20 games of the season doesnt register to me as making an impact, it registers to me as the team wanting to see what he could do.
    With that said he could be a very good player.
    I just think some have very un-realistic expectations for Scola in his first year
    Last edited by mardigan; 07-14-2007 at 04:39 PM.

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    Scoring in bunches on a horrible team for the last 20 games of the season doesnt register to me as making an impact, it registers to me as the team wanting to see what he could do.
    With that said he could be a very good player.
    I just think some have very un-realistic expectaions for Scola in his first year
    But It comes down again to the coach.Herrmann got a chance because of injuries,not coze the coach trusted him.
    What i´m saying is:Scola with the coach trust and his teammates getting him envolved can be at 15/7.No doubt.

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    I never said the Spurs didnt get enough back. I hated this trade as far as what they got back and gave up. I just cant stand all this love for a guy that hasnt proven in the league yet.
    Im more pissed about them trading Butler to be honest with you
    so i guess you feel that way about every rookie then, right? i bet you must really hate oden and durant! all that hype without ever proving in the league yet!

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    so i guess you feel that way about every rookie then, right? i bet you must really hate oden and durant! all that hype without ever proving in the league yet!
    So your comparing Oden and Durant to Scola now.
    They are both 19 years old to Scolas what, 28?
    Living in America gives us the oppurtunity to watch these guys play in college against other future NBA players, where Scola plays where we dont get to watch him against lesser compe ion.
    So to answer, no, I dont feel the same way

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    So your comparing Oden and Durant to Scola now.
    They are both 19 years old to Scolas what, 28?
    Living in America gives us the oppurtunity to watch these guys play in college against other future NBA players, where Scola plays where we dont get to watch him against lesser compe ion.
    So to answer, no, I dont feel the same way
    the best player in college deserves hype but the best player in europe doesn't. that makes perfect sense. you don't seriously think that durant or oden faced tougher compe ion than scola, do you?

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    the best player in college deserves hype but the best player in europe doesn't. that makes perfect sense. you don't seriously think that durant or oden faced tougher compe ion than scola, do you?
    Like I said, how many times does the average American get to see Tau play?
    How many times does the average American see Durant and oden play?
    Comparing a known commodity to an unknown commodity will always produce greater hype.
    And yes, I think there are much more talented players at the collegiate level than in Euro-league.

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    Like I said, how many times does the average American get to see Tau play?
    How many times does the average American see Durant and oden play?
    Comparing a known commodity to an unknown commodity will always produce greater hype.
    And yes, I think there are much more talented players at the collegiate level than in Euro-league.
    So,why is it that the spurs won 3 les without a single domestic draft pick???explain that to me please.

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    So,why is it that the spurs won 3 les without a single domestic draft pick???explain that to me please.
    Tim Duncan played at Wake Forest (most important one, or did you forget about him)
    Michael Finley played at Wisconsin
    Robert Horry played at Bama
    Bruce Bowen played at Cal State Fullerton


    Good fo managment would be my guess
    And its funny that you left out the le in 99

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    Tim Duncan played at Wake Forest (most important one, or did you forget about him)
    Michael Finley played at Wisconsin
    Robert Horry played at Bama
    Bruce Bowen played at Cal State Fullerton


    Good fo managment would be my guess
    And its funny that you left out the le in 99
    don´t change it now.I´m talking about drafts picks from 1999 to now,I belive that the guys you named were drafted before that,and not exacly by the spurs(besides Duncan)

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    don´t change it now.I´m talking about drafts picks from 1999 to now,I belive that the guys you named were drafted before that,and not exacly by the spurs(besides Duncan)
    So a player can only contribute if he was drafted by the SPurs after 99?
    The only reason the SPurs are the SPurs is because of Tim, who went to Wake Forest, and David who went to the Naval Academy

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    So,why is it that the spurs won 3 les without a single domestic draft pick???explain that to me please.
    Tim Duncan and David Robinson, and if you dont understand that you've got problems

    Can you believe this ?

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    Manu during his rookie season in the PO's was pretty good for the Spurs.

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    So a player can only contribute if he was drafted by the SPurs after 99?
    The only reason the SPurs are the SPurs is because of Tim, who went to Wake Forest, and David who went to the Naval Academy
    my point is:since the spurs started drafting international players and stoped draftind domestics they won 4 les.would you agree on that?yes or no.

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    the spurs used to get the intl players bc they could get them cheap

    now the rest of the nba has been figuring out that tactic
    yeah,they are cheaper and more efective too.

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    my point is:since the spurs started drafting international players and stoped draftind domestics they won 4 les.would you agree on that?yes or no.
    Yes
    But the les have everything to do with Tim Duncan
    Yes, Manu and Tony are huge parts, and even Fabbs, but players like Bowen, Finley and Horry are huge parts as well.

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    Yes
    But the les have everything to do with Tim Duncan
    Yes, Manu and Tony are huge parts, and even Fabbs, but players like Bowen, Finley and Horry are huge parts as well.
    if you were R.C,who would you reather sign for 3 yrs 10 M?
    Prooven Bonner or NBA Unprooven Scola?

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    if you were R.C,who would you reather sign for 3 yrs 10 M?
    Prooven Bonner or NBA Unprooven Scola?
    To be honest, I wouldnt want to give either that kind of money
    But at least Bonner's proven he can play in the NBA and that he is a good guy who works hard and doesnt cause distractions
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    Adelman is a smart coach, so I don't think his tendency toward offense means that the Rockets will start scoring a bunch of points all of a sudden. He's got a good defensive squad, so I suspect the style of play won't change a whole lot. Therefore, Scola playing with Yao and T-Mac won't get a ton of shots. And for that, he'll probably average 8-10 points. He'll probably get around 5 rebounds a game with enough minutes - the Rockets have been really good at Opponents FG% the last few years and Yao is not a great rebounder.

    Malik Rose (the player to whom Scola has been compared) in 2003 played 1933 minutes and grabbed 506 rebounds; over the 79 games he played that season, it came out to over 6 rebounds per. So yeah, Scola can probably get around 5 with the same minutes.

    If Adelman is determined to change the Rockets' style of play, then Scola will get around 12 points per game.

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    Like I said, how many times does the average American get to see Tau play?
    How many times does the average American see Durant and oden play?
    Comparing a known commodity to an unknown commodity will always produce greater hype.
    And yes, I think there are much more talented players at the collegiate level than in Euro-league.
    but you didn't say that oden and durant didn't deserve the hype. if you're going to complain about something, be consistent. otherwise, it's just illogical hate.

    if you really think that any college team could beat any team in the euro-league, you really don't know anything about basketball.

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    but you didn't say that oden and durant didn't deserve the hype. if you're going to complain about something, be consistent. otherwise, it's just illogical hate.

    if you really think that any college team could beat any team in the euro-league, you really don't know anything about basketball.
    Ok, your right, the top 2 picks in the draft shouldnt have any hype
    And I never said that a college team could beat a Euro team, just that there is more talent in the college game.

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    No way. It'll be all Durant who is the centrepiece of a rebuilding Seattle and will take 25-30 shots a game by mid-season.

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    Actually, John Hollinger stated that there's a fairly consistent trend when Euros come from overseas and play in the NBA. Their FG% drops about 10 points and their rebounding goes up about 25%.

    So, Scola could conceivably get 6 to 7 RPG if he's given 25-30MPG.

    And scoring has never been the problem with Scola....I'd say he could very well average 14PPG.

    But....I don't know about ROY
    Scola had consistently 7 rpg in top Euro Basketball, fwiw, better rebound avg than what Oberto had there in his primetime. I guess that would indicate that he's at least a decent rebounder, don't u think?

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    Rookie of the Year? Don't you mean MVP and first-ballot Hall of Famer?

    I'm guessing he will average 46 points and 24 rebounds on 87% shooting next year.

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    my point is:since the spurs started drafting international players and stoped draftind domestics they won 4 les.would you agree on that?yes or no.
    If that's all you're saying, yes, I agree, but that signifies nothing. Correlation does not equal causation.

    Ginobili is an All-Star caliber player, and Oberto is a nice role player, but Duncan = Rings. Period. My point is since the Spurs drafted Duncan, they have 4 les.

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