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But the Rockets just traded a guy that doesn't even want to play in the NBA anymore, who had an even worse season statistically...how hard can it be to move a PG with Beno's talent?
After shooting 37% from the floor (29% from 3pt line) and being replaced by an over-30 journeyman, I'm not sure he could be moved....at least not right now.
Again, with better options still seemingly available and summer leagues still ongoing, I think teams aren't ready to committ $$$ to a backup/third-string type, which is unfortunately what Beno has become. Give it some time though, and I think there will be a place for him elsewhere.
Oh and about Beno not being moved last year....I said then that it was a mistake and I think the Spurs might have been a better team if the deal was done. But they won the championship with the team they had, so who am I to argue...
With his confidence/comfort level where it is with the Spurs right now...
A life-size cardboard cutout of Beno is better than Beno.
Bottom Line: I think he can and should be moved, especially if the Spurs are talking about adding more payroll....but I'm not sure there's anyone in the market for him just yet.
But the Rockets just traded a guy that doesn't even want to play in the NBA anymore, who had an even worse season statistically...how hard can it be to move a PG with Beno's talent?
There's no question the Spurs knew exactly what they doing on this trade. The intent was freeing up needed financial cap space and luxury tax avoidance.
The guy's main talent is shooting...and he shot 37% and 29% from the field and 3pt line respectively.
I understand his mental state playing for Pop and this team last year was not at its best...but it's hard to argue his talent when his production was extremely sub-par.
I think the issue of how "moveable" he is, doesn't just stop with his talent. You have to consider what the Spurs will want in return and what their plan will be post-Beno.
Obviously the Spurs will want a consolation pick and $$$ (via trade exception, etc.) and not a player with similar salary. So who is willing to give up their 2009/10 second round pick AND their $2M trade exception for this kid? No one as of yet...
Then comes the issue of who replaces Beno on the roster.
Do the Spurs then keep Barry to play third-string PG duty and fill another need with that roster spot or do they go out and sign a summer league guy like CJ Watson or Aaron Miles?
Because I seriously doubt the Spurs move Beno without having that post-Beno plan in place.
Barry could do it...but Pop doesn't let Barry play PG unless it's the penultimate games of the finals...I guess because Barry's not good at it or something.
I agree that they aren't going to move Barry and Beno until there's another PG on the roster...that's why I think there was more to the trade for the Greek Kid than meets the eye. Because he makes them movable if they can sign him. At this point they just want someone to bring the ball up the court in emergency situations.
There were also rumors of trading Scola for Duhon and there was probably some truth to it for that reason.
Uh, the Rockets just happened to trade the guy who doesn't even want to play in the NBA anymore . . . to the team that has Beno.
Come on whott. This is right out of the Spurs playbook.
"We made a trade that we thought we would get a player out of, but he just doesn't want to be here in America. Regrettably we'll agree to let him out of his deal..... oh and hey we just saved some money, funny how that worked out."
On the flip side, it is a contract year and someone may be looking for a one year backup PG rental with the knowledge that a) he's only on the books for one more year and b) that players in their contract year typically elevate their game.
All it says is that they will let him go if he accepts NO money. No news there. It confirms what we all already knew- that traded for him with the belief that he would not come and they would never pay him a penny. It was, and will always be a trade about saving money. The Spurs assume their position because they believe that they can get him to agree not to come by merely letting him out of the contract. No where does it say they want him to come. They just want rid of him for nothing as opposed to for something. He did not force his hand. He could have threatened to come to see if he could get some money- but he chose not to and no one expected him to anyway.
First mistake was trade Scola.
Second mistake was trade Scola to a serious rival.
Third mistake was to NOT include Udrih in the trade.
Fourth mistake is be happy with this Greek guy play in Greece. He is a heck of a player who WANTS to play, and just can't be compared to a player -Udrih- whose dream is NOT to play.
That's lot of mistakes for just one trade.
Apparently, no other team in the NBA was willing to make a better trade with the Spurs. As far as getting rid of Beno, we can always hope that Beno gets homesick for Europe, too, though to hear it be told, he is having too much fun here.
That would be a good vBookie: who will be a better player for the Spurs next year . . . Beno in SA or Vassilis in Greece?
Do you not remember what you posted yesterday? You said that, like Macijauskas, the Spurs will have to buyout V-Span's contract. I pointed out the differences and you turned a blind eye.
I know this is an exciting time for you but try to remain smart enough to at least make sense from time to time.
I NEVER said the Spurs WOULD have to buy out his contract. NEVER. You might want to check your reading comprehension. You claimed the Spurs wanted Spanoulis and I said they did not. This article still gives no indication that the Spurs would prefer that he come and play for them over going away for free. What I said was that the situations were actually similar because in both cases both sides wanted out. The Hornets were stupid to pay Macijauskas anything when he just wanted to stay in Europe. The Spurs won't be.
Do you not remember what you posted yesterday? You said that, like Macijauskas, the Spurs will have to buyout V-Span's contract. I pointed out the differences and you turned a blind eye.
timvp went through a brief period yesterday when he entertained the idea of Spanoulis coming over to the Spurs - despite the fact that he sucked . I think whottt got to him briefly.
Beno is a big waste of talent but I take a fat, partying, turnover-prone Beno Udrih over most of the 3rd string PG.
Given that Spurs haven't drafted a PG, I don't see them trading Beno unless there is a financial edge to do it.
That's what I was telling you yesterday. Instead of dropping it, you kept going on Macijauskas rant talking about the similarities.
Why keep talking about that Croatian if you didn't think the Spurs would suffer the same fate?
I know this is an early Christmas for you but it'd be nice if you'd contribute more than just trying to be annoying.
Which was exactly what I was telling you yesterday.
At least troll with some substance.
Thanks.
For ploto and Mr. Body: read between the lines. The Spurs will release him PROVIDED that he gives up his money. Meaning that if he doesn't give up his money, the Spurs don't release him. For V-Span to not lose his money, he'd have to report to training camp.
So yes, V-Span's two options are:
1) Give up all his money.
2) Report to Spurs training camp.
And the reason why this stance works for the Spurs is because the Spurs wouldn't mind having V-Span in training camp.
Why are you scolding? I've known this from the start. The trade makes sense only if Spanoulis stays in Europe and leaves his contract.
Well, the trade doesn't make sense either way.
But the Spurs can play hardball with V-Span because if worst comes to worst, V-Span in training camp is something they can live with. And V-Span knows that. So that gives him zero leverage and it'll be why he can't ask for a buyout from the Spurs, like that Croatian got last year from the Hornets.
If V-Span was a guy the Spurs would never want on their team, he'd have a lot more leverage. He knows that there's a chance the Spurs would just keep him if he doesn't void his contract completely.
the reason why this stance works for the Spurs is because the Spurs know he will never show up for training camp
And I know that you know that Macijauskas is from Lithuania.
Hey, for a few days I get to watch a bunch of Spurs fans be mad at the Spurs organization.
It's an unexpected treat that I know will be very short-lived.
I've learned to take my little joys wherever I can find them. Somehow pissing off a bunch of men brings me joy after a lifetime of letting them walk all over me. Thanks.
Hey, for a few days I get to watch a bunch of Spurs fans be mad at the Spurs organization.
It's an unexpected treat that I know will be very short-lived.
I've learned to take my little joys wherever I can find them. Somehow pissing off a bunch of men brings me joy after a lifetime of letting them walk all over me. Thanks.
Well, at least you can admit it.
I can at least respect that
If Spanniloououuususus was willing to reciprocate, he could choose to keep the Spurs in the dark about whether he would actually fulfill his contract or not. That would screw up the Spurs' efforts in free agency (assuming they are deathly afraid of the Lux Tax Monster) as undoubtedly they would not want to risk a significant signing if Spannillououiuiuiss could possibly show up next season.
Anyways, part of me wishes that Spannnillououiuiss shows up next season, rips up the league, and everyone forgets about the trade. I know my liver hopes so.
Yeah..but do you see how they could save even more money if Vassilis decided to play ball?
That's the point I'm making.
Vasillis and Udoka $$$$<$$$$ Beno and Barry.
Plus they can get something for Beno and Barry in trade...and get rid of two guys in Pop's doghouse.
Think about it...
Think beyond the trade, Vassilis showing up can save them more money. And clear out Pop's dohouse...and arguably improve the team. That's my point...if you are going to say they are worried about the bottom line...then carry your own logic further.
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