Ludden: 12 players from championship roster return

[Marcus Bryant]

Well I have my theories...and you have yours. I'll just leave it at that...

But who do you think the Spurs would rather have? Beno...or Vassilis?

What's your theory?

[whottt]

He wasn't looking to be paid on the 1st NBA contract. What did he have a problem with in Houston? PT. Why? 2nd NBA contract...

I agree with that, and there is some merit to what you are saying...his agent could be saying hey...these guys want to release you...let's see what we can get from them. But that doesn't sound like something the kid would go for...if he really wants to get back to Europe.

That doesn't bother me...this kid is an ego maniac...the longer nothing happens, the more it's going to tempt him.


Didn't they say his agent is coming? That's probably when it'll get done if anything does.


Keep in mind this kid didn't originally want to be done with the NBA...he originally just wanted to be done with the Rockets...

Right now he could just not like the idea competing with the Parker Beno Vaughn backcourt...



One thing is for sure...his agent is going to want him to play in Greece and get released. That's when he gets paid. And that release opens the door for a quick return to the NBA as well.

[whottt]

Did anyone else read that article about what a big fan Lindsey is of Vassilis?

[Marcus Bryant]

About the only way I could see the Spurs talking Spannilouous into joining the team (if that is what they wanted to do) is to guarantee him minutes and ballpark what his next contract would look like. Does that sound like something the Spurs would do?

[ducks]

if he has no confidence in beating out beno
I do not want him to wear a spur uniform

[remingtonbo2001]

I thought Beno was going to Cleveland for next to nothing.

[timvp]

Regarding V-Span, the Spurs are going to win that showdown. His agent might be asking the Spurs to buy him out. But the Spurs ain't having none of that. What they'll do is say that if V-Span wants to come play, they'll welcome him to training camp.

If it came down to it, the Spurs would rather have V-Span sitting on their bench than to pay him a buyout. But it won't come to that because V-Span is scared of America and him and his agent will wilt long before then.

[whottt]

is to guarantee him minutes and ballpark what his next contract would look like. Does that sound like something the Spurs would do?

When freezes over...and right about now, that kind of guarantee is probably worthless to that kid anyway. He's already been lied too you know.


The Spurs aren't they Rockets though...their offense is much more appealing to aspiring point guards...not to mentioin the ring thing...

This kid has a huge freaking ego...have you read his interviews? Ring is going to appeal to him so he can be the first Greek to have one....

[whottt]

if he has no confidence in beating out beno
I do not want him to wear a spur uniform

I don't think he's worried about beating out Beno...I think he's worried about becoming Beno. Because it just happened to him...

But I have a feeling the Spurs are a much more appealing situation to him....just based on the offense.


Would you want to play in the Rockets offense if you were a PG?

[Marcus Bryant]

When freezes over...and right about now, that kind of guarantee is probably worthless to that kid anyway. He's already been lied too you know.


The Spurs aren't they Rockets though...their offense is much more appealing to aspiring point guards...not to mentioin the ring thing...

This kid has a huge freaking ego...have you read his interviews? Ring is going to appeal to him so he can be the first Greek to have one....

He can play in his home country, be the man, and get paid today. Everyone knows that, so why pay him to go away? With a little patience, the truth will come out. And yes, I'd prefer the Spurs to not pay for a player who won't be on the team. Unless that has some bearing on another free agent signing, like say, Udoka.

[whottt]

He can play in his home country, be the man, and get paid today.

He's already done that...

Everyone knows that, so why pay him to go away? With a little patience, the truth will come out.

I agree on both points.

And yes, I'd prefer the Spurs to not pay for a player who won't be on the team. Unless that has some bearing on another free agent signing, like say, Udoka.

Obviously...but if he wants to play...if he wants to play for the Spurs, with no guarantees...if he changes his tune...you want him? Or Beno?

[timvp]

The Spurs better not low ball Udoka to the point that he can't accept the offer. There are rumors of an offer he has on the table that is 2-years and $3.8M. Knowing the Spurs, that could very well be their offer.

Even though Udoka would want to come to San Antonio, could anyone blame him if he took an offer for two or three times that?

Although Udoka isn't Michael Jordan or anything, he's the only readily available swingman I see this summer. Barnes, Pietrus and Posey are pipe dream compared to Udoka.

[whottt]

All I know is this kid has a quicker first step than Manu or Parker...go you tube him.

[timvp]

All I know is this kid has a quicker first step than Manu or Parker...go you tube him.

Someone please tell me I didn't just read that.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs better not low ball Udoka to the point that he can't accept the offer. There are rumors of an offer he has on the table that is 2-years and $3.8M. Knowing the Spurs, that could very well be their offer.

Even though Udoka would want to come to San Antonio, could anyone blame him if he took an offer for two or three times that?

Spurs fans will find a way.

It would be rather nearsighted for the Spurs to lose out on Udoka. If they can't find a quality perimeter defender then they are going to have to rethink their entire defensive and offensive strategy post-Bowen, with them likely moving towards 'more offense' as a matter of course.

The Spurs have $20 mil in salary coming off the books after next season with Splitter and Mahinmi coming in at $700K per when they sign. And they're pinching pennies now?

[genghisrex]

The Spurs better not low ball Udoka to the point that he can't accept the offer. There are rumors of an offer he has on the table that is 2-years and $3.8M. Knowing the Spurs, that could very well be their offer.

I thought that figure was the maximum that the Blazers could pay him, and not necessarily an actual offer that had been made by anyone. Am I wrong?

[Marcus Bryant]

I thought that figure was the maximum that the Blazers could pay him, and not necessarily an actual offer that had been made by anyone. Am I wrong?

You may be correct. I think all Portland has left after Blake and Outlaw is the LLE. So the Spurs probably offered a buck more.

[whottt]

If it came down to it, the Spurs would rather have V-Span sitting on their bench than to pay him a buyout. But it won't come to that because V-Span is scared of America and him and his agent will wilt long before then.

Are you really aware of how the Rockets and Van Gundy handled this kid? Read Bruno's link...Van Gundy had determined this kids fate before he ever even suited up. Van Gundy is also fired now...and his teams underachieved.

[whottt]

Someone please tell me I didn't just read that.

You read it...he does. Go watch him.

[Marcus Bryant]

Are you really aware of how the Rockets and Van Gundy handled this kid? Read Bruno's link...Van Gundy had determined this kids fate before he ever even suited up. Van Gundy is also fired now...and his teams underachieved.

Sure, he didn't get any minutes and was pissed about it. He expected that his name should have guaranteed him a spot in the rotation. Sound like a Spur?

[ducks]

You may be correct. I think all Portland has left after Blake and Outlaw is the LLE. So the Spurs probably offered a buck more.

you start low then work up no

[dbreiden83080]

What about Timmy's contract extension? I thought the Spurs were taking care of that this offseason since he can opt out at the end of next year. Not that i think he would leave but why chance it get that deal done now instead of at the end of next year, or even during the season.

[genghisrex]

You may be correct. I think all Portland has left after Blake and Outlaw is the LLE. So the Spurs probably offered a buck more.

That said, I wouldn't be all that surprised if the Spurs made an offer in that ballpark (maybe slightly more) if they thought they were only competing with Portland. Unfortunately, if Memphis is truly interested, that's probably a losing gamble.

[ducks]

Sure, he didn't get any minutes and was pissed about it. He expected that his name should have guaranteed him a spot in the rotation. Sound like a Spur?

sounds like sj when he wanted that new contract

[timvp]

I thought that figure was the maximum that the Blazers could pay him, and not necessarily an actual offer that had been made by anyone. Am I wrong?

Good question. I could be wrong about that. I'll look for where I read it.