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    Thomas never fit very well on a run-and-gun team, only when the pace slowed down during the playoffs.

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    Dampier/Diop can at least "guard" him straight-up so we don't have to double and can stay home on your shooters..
    Dampier sucks ass. However, I do think Diop does a good job on Tim.

    And rascal, that's not true. There's only one player in the NBA who can really guard Tim...one Rasheed Wallace.

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    where do these trade exceptions begin, how did seattle get it to trade it to phoenix?
    They got it from Orlando for trading Rashard Lewis there.

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    Holt > Sarver.

    This trade will too encourage Spurs to be above the luxury tax.
    The luxury tax amount collected next year will be quite low : the penalty for being 1$ above the luxury tax threshold will be low too.

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    When did Marion say he was going overseas? I saw Marbury said that he wanted to finish his carrer in Italy, but I heard nothing about Marion.

    As for the trade, I think Phoenix did the best they possibly could. At some point soon, someone was going to have to go & Thomas is the oldest & least important of their starting 5. Nobody was going to trade any player of real value for him(ie a good young player), so for the Suns to get a nice $8 mil TE that they can either let expire or pick up an $8 mil dollar player down the road, seems like a pretty good deal in my eyes.
    I doubt that the Suns use the TE, they seem desperate to cut pay-roll. Of course, if they combine the TE with Amare to get KG or something, than all bets are off.

    Sonics also get 2 1st-rounders as well. They get a center to hold serve for a year, drop him the year, and will have plenty of cap space the next couple years. Thomas was the Suns lone real expiring contract, and they get raped in a deal to drop it. Unless Marion opts out next year (which he would be crazy to do), Suns will still have salary issues next year as well. Suns will have 7/8 players under contract next year (depending on what Grant Hill and Marion do) and will have a pay-roll of $70 million or so. Ouch.

    This trade is overwhelmingly in favor of the Sonics. Steve Kerr either got rail-roaded into this trade (in which case he's pissed) or he thought it was a good trade (in which case he's a fool for a GM). I'm betting it's the former.

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    great trade for the Spurs.

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    this is my worst fear!!!!!!!! I'm so jealous!!!

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    j/k. I did that for da suns fan's benefit

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    Dampier sucks ass. However, I do think Diop does a good job on Tim.
    No, Dampier is a MLE guy making near-max money. Like Diop, he can "guard" Tim straight up so it cuts down on open looks on the perimeter for your jumpshooters.

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    No, Dampier is a MLE guy making near-max money. Like Diop, he can "guard" Tim straight up so it cuts down on open looks on the perimeter for your jumpshooters.
    Dampier sucks ass.

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    I doubt that the Suns use the TE, they seem desperate to cut pay-roll. Of course, if they combine the TE with Amare to get KG or something, than all bets are off.

    Sonics also get 2 1st-rounders as well. They get a center to hold serve for a year, drop him the year, and will have plenty of cap space the next couple years. Thomas was the Suns lone real expiring contract, and they get raped in a deal to drop it. Unless Marion opts out next year (which he would be crazy to do), Suns will still have salary issues next year as well. Suns will have 7/8 players under contract next year (depending on what Grant Hill and Marion do) and will have a pay-roll of $70 million or so. Ouch.

    This trade is overwhelmingly in favor of the Sonics. Steve Kerr either got rail-roaded into this trade (in which case he's pissed) or he thought it was a good trade (in which case he's a fool for a GM). I'm betting it's the former.
    Teams can't combine players with the TE to make a trade.

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    BTW, Kurt Thomas +/- stats in the Spurs vs Suns serie :
    On the court : +24
    Off the court : -21


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    No, Dampier is a MLE guy making near-max money. Like Diop, he can "guard" Tim straight up so it cuts down on open looks on the perimeter for your jumpshooters.
    Which is why he lit up Dampier for 41 points while Diop sat on the bench with foul trouble?

    Or are you talking strictly in the sense that Dampier won't leave Duncan so he can't pass to open shooters? Because Tim abused anyone who was on him in 2006.

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    Sarver is out-Holting Holt.

    Seriously, this challenges the Scola/Butler trade for the All-Time "strengthening your opponent because you're cheap" award.

    Thomas wasn't a Duncan-stopper, but he did a credible enough job that they didn't have to completely wave the white flag on defense.

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    Thomas' jumpshot was also a key to the Suns almost beating us. His pick-and-pop with Nash was almost an automatic 2 points. Good news for the Spurs

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    The combination of Sarver's cheapness and D'Antonio's defensive cluelessness may bail the Spurs out yet.

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    Dampier/Diop can at least "guard" him straight-up so we don't have to double and can stay home on your shooters..
    True, but Duncan alway scores a lot against the Mavs.

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    True, but Duncan alway scores a lot against the Mavs.
    LOL Could it be his matchups or do you think it's that he just doesn't like the color of their jerseys?

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    BTW, Kurt Thomas +/- stats in the Spurs vs Suns serie :
    On the court : +24
    Off the court : -21

    It's nice when other franchises make dumb deals.

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    True, but Duncan alway scores a lot against the Mavs.
    Because most of the time its Dampier who's guarding him. Duncan also makes a lot of his points in FTs against the Mavs, because they keep fouling him.

    Its like Amare always scores a lot against us. They keep everybody in check while Duncan is out there putting 35-40 a game.

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    The combination of Sarver's cheapness and D'Antonio's defensive cluelessness may bail the Spurs out yet.
    Well, there's still Dallas. And possibly Houston now.

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    Sarver is out-Holting Holt.
    I think Sarver is realizing that his way of doing things wasn't working and decided to follow a more classic NBA model, in this case, LA Clippers circa mid-nineties.

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    I think Sarver is realizing that his way of doing things wasn't working and decided to follow a more classic NBA model, in this case, LA Clippers circa mid-nineties.
    Stepien-Era Cleveland would have been way too harsh.

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    now THIS is cheap.

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