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that post really made my day. Some parents should just try to keep their child away from the keyboard.
Tony.... 2 guards come a dime a dozen. Manu is crafty when getting to the rim and his 3 pt shooting was tremedous this year, but he's still a 2. If you get a PG that improves year after year and goes fearlessly to the basket just like Manu, plus an excellent finisher, you make the day you drafted him an official holiday.
that post really made my day. Some parents should just try to keep their child away from the keyboard.
This will never come to end. I can imagine Spurs fans 50 years from now "Manu or Tony!?"
You make a great argument and I would have to agree. Hard to believe Gino is 3rd best on the team but when you have Duncan and Parker, its easier to believe.... Everyone in the league would love to have their 3rd best player of the caliber Gino is...
I'm by no means saying Manu isn't an integral part of the team. W/ out either of the big 3 there'd be no trophies. They all bring something which, if only 2 or on, SA still has a chance to win. If all 3 are on... UNSTOPPABLE! It's just that what Manu brings to the table is easier to replace than what Tony brings at his position.
I think I'll plead the fifth on this one...
what he brought against Detroit in the finals was just sick...
give me five active player that could have done something like the behind back lay up or the "i'm going from the corner through your supposed unbreakable defense to put a lay'up-->dunk on your entire team...
I love both for what they brought SA but forget about that. Tim is the man.
Soon as you show me another PG than goes to the rim at will. Finishes while banging against goliaths under the basket and still scoring. Hitting lay ups as he's falling to the floor. Tim said it himself, that defenses make it a point to keep him out of the lane and he still gets by them EVERYTIME! If Manu were gone, would the new 2 be better, maybe not, but as I said it's a position that is much more easily replaceble. I never said anything about going on a scavenger hunt for a SG!Replace Manu w/ a Carter, Richardson, Magette, Roy, etc.... depending on your role players, you still contend for the next 3 years. Take away Tony and add Kidd, Ridenhour, Felton, etc.... you go home. The kid is built for this system. The only PG's I see fitting in here other than Tony are Deron and Paul, and neither of them can keep their defenders in front of them worth a .
It's a fan forum, that's what it's for... to talk about stupid
Tim is the most important
but it's a team game
if we have the Knicks money we can take Kidd and Kobe but we don't and for there value they are the best for the spurs
Manu, obviously watch the championship games who asked the ball the latest minutes.
Next question?
Beno or Rasho?
Manu's the clutchest performer on the Spurs, so yes he should have the ball at the end of games. But Tony sets the tempo and puts ALL defenses on their heels. Games are 48 min. and of those 48 min. of the past 2 seasons, he has been the most consistent. , even the coach said that!
I dont agree at all.manu is capable to play all 3 perimetrals possitions.PG,SG and SF.and during his NBA carreer he has guarded PGs ofcourse SGs and SFs.
Can Tony do that???
Examples:he guarded Prince(and locked him out) in the 05 finals(SF)he also guarded Lebron when Bruce was on the bench last championship.
I would like to see tony playing another possition besides PG,to see what happens.
Bottom line:they both need each other.
Prince is hardly an offensive threat IMO. And Manu isn't going to play PG for 30+ min. just like Tony won't play the 2 spot that long. I merely stated who has more value to the team. If you guys think Manu is, then fine, but personally, I think it's just b/c most of you are Manu fans and therefore form biased opinions (my opinion of course). There is only one way to prove it (which would really things up), put them both on the trading block and see how much MORE teams would be willing to give up for Tony (also pretend age isn't a factor, result would still be the same). One truth that is not an opinion, but the norm is that post players are sought after most by pretty much any team wanting to contend, 2nd position is not a 2 guard, it's the one spot! It's nothing against Manu as I said. Tony just has a bigger role. He has the ball more of course being a PG, he also has more go to plays, an he is the 2nd biggest priority for teams defensive schemes (many times 1st). Manu is great, but he ain't Wade (on offense, his d is much better than Wade's) or Kobe (on both ends). That is why I say Tony. it doesn't mean Manu isn't great, can't defend multiple positions, or carry the offensive load. It just means that for the Spurs to contend (as long as Tim is around of course), Tony has to be that 2nd guy. The offense would be back to the days when teams would double Tim and everyone else just stands around. Manu can penetrate almost as well as Tony, but Tony does his damn thing every night.
Don't forget, while Tony couldn't handle the larger Billups posting him up (Bruce played him down the stretch), Tony stayed in front of Rip w/ no problem. Rip had to commit an offensive foul (that wasn't called) just to get a shot off in front of Tony at the end of reg. (he missed too).
I'm just glad they are both on the team and signed up for a good while. But as a long time fan of the NBA a player like Manu doesn't come around very often. The guy is a gem and a winner in every sense of the word. While Tony has perhaps more talent, you'll never ever see Manu concede anything, the guy will fight to the bitter end on a basketball court and I absolutely love that about him.
Tony.How about trading Manu to Atlanta for Josh Smith he's young averages the same amount of points,8.5 boards,and about 3 blocks. Can play the 2,3,4.
I see a bunch of dumb asses in this topic.
Well said.It's a fan forum, that's what it's for... to talk about stupid
Parker plays more minutes and handles the ball more since he is the pg. If you gave them equal floor time and ball time, Mr. "24 straight points" would come out on top every game. And that's just scoring. When it comes to defence, hustle, steals and firing up your team, Manu owns all that. So better all around player by far.
He's still a 2 guard. PG's are much more valuable. Let it go!
I never said anything about ppg. I said he's the second option and that's whether manu comes off the bench or not.
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If Manu had an ego.. [/OUOTE] He'd be gone
Bull . Quality PG's are almost as scarce as post players. Kobe and Wade are the only 2 guards GM's would take over a Finals MVP PG w/ 3 rings.
Are you in front of a mirror?
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