you're fairly clueless as to what an NBA ref does, what they put up with, not to even mention the travel involved. maybe you and your wife should find new jobs if you are so underpaid?
you are equally as clueless as to what an nba ref does, but it's hard to fathom it taking much more than any other reffing situation. the rules don't change much from high school, college, pros, particularly with the majority of calls made (traveling, 3 seconds, etc.) and there seems to be little in regards to continuing education that needs to be done. travel costs may be something to consider, but it still seems like a bunch for the job.
your wife works 8-3 (have an hour off for lunch)atleast most teachers do
work about 9 months out of the year
have great benefiets and get paid like they work year around
35 hours a day of work -5 hours off for lunch
your poor wife might work 30 hours in a week for nine months
and you she is just making less then 50k
I would not want to be a teacher but most are not underpaid
unreal
Um, you think if they got paid less we would have more competent officials?
Or maybe they'd be less likely to be influenced by gambling or bribes if they got paid less?
running up and down the court every so often and blowing a whistle? at its worse, a ref has a bad name hurled his/her way for screwing up a call.
just explaining what i see them do.
they always run up and down the court
not saying teachers are underpaid, but refs seem overpaid.
by comparison, from salary.com,
basic army recruits get less than $15,000
E6 - Petty Officer - 1st Class (Navy) in the United States - $28,049.
outside the military
Data Security Analyst, Sr. in the United States - $78,237
a typical Biophysicist in the United States - $53,848.
a typical Cardiology Director in the United States - $103,905
I don't know what they mean by "Cardiology Director", but if they mean a physician who is board-certified in cardiology, then the average salary is probably 2.5-3 times that.
i think someone in charge of the cardiology department. not sure. cardiologist are actually just above this ref - $280k.
i wasn't calling this one
a typical Physician - Neurology in the United States - $191,244.
eh, you have a point there. i'm just shocked it was this much. the guy approaches a neurosurgeon in pay, which floored me.
it just makes this gambling thing that much more difficult to understand. addiction is rough. wonder how much he was in for with the mob?
Name them off. And while you are at it, tell me please.
What ref leaves his family, flies 5000 miles to some distant part of the world and is stuck there for 12 - 18 months?
How many refs have you seen run into a burning building to save someone?
How many refs spend a portion of their life under fire? And I don't mean from the league office, but from real weapons. You know...The kind that can kill you dead.
What exactly do they "put up with" that demands that kind of salary?
Poor ing babies!!!
So go ahead and clue me in about what a terrible life an NBA ref leads.
But when was the last time a ref had to pony up a big portion of his income for malpractice insurance?
And let's not forget...One is in the lifesaving business while the other is in the entertainment business.
no argument there, either.
You all are making a basic mistake. Salaries are not paid based on some abstract idea of the "worth" of a job. Salaries are paid based on supply and demand of the good being paid for, namely, labor that is skilled in some way. Employers won't pay any more than they have to to attract workers who will do the job at a certain level of competence.
Just because you think a teacher is doing "more important" work than a basketball player, there's no reason a school district should pay a teacher what a basketball player makes, if they don't have to.
Same for neurosurgeons or anyone else in the labor market.
Paying an athlete millions of dollars is simply a statement of very strong demand (to have a winning team to attract fans and make tons of money) chasing very scarce supply (athletes that can perform at championship levels).
I believe the low-end refs make around $150K and then it goes up from there by experience.
I realize that this is getting a bit off topic, but that is an assinine statement to say it is easier to become a teacher or solder than an NBA referee. The only reason it is difficult to become an NBA referee is because of the limited opportunities, not because they have to have some MENSA level of officiating ability. Those individuals who become teachers and soldiers (bless them one and all) do more work, require more certifications and sacrifice more to obtain/maintain their calling than any NBA referee.
Obviously because the pool of opportunity is smaller, the NBA referees are going to be paid more, because the NBA is going to demand (allegedly) a high caliber official. Wanting the best of the best does not come without a price.
But to say that it is a harder and more demanding job than a teacher or soldier and therefore justifiable in the higher pay based on that condition? I call bull . It's not about workload; it's about market demand. If that is what NBA officials can get from the league, then good for them. Supply and demand, free market economy and all that rot. Unfortunately, we live in a society where professional athletes/entertainers are deemed more valuable than teachers and soldiers.
I think I understand what you're saying, but the fact is that because of the selection system it is a lot harder to BECOME an NBA referee than to become a teacher or solider. Not that the job itself is harder, but the process of getting the job is much, much harder.
What perecentage of people who start out with the goal of becoming a pro official achieve that? 5%? Probably more like 1%. and it's like 10 -year process to get there.
I would guess that for soldiers and teachers it's more like 50-75%. Probably higher. And less investment of time.
The other point is that there is a huge difference between the entry-level salary for a referee (essentially zero) and that for a solider or teacher.
For refs, the salary structure is a huge inverted pyramid: you get nothing until you reach the top. For the other professions, the slope is much less steep.
This has nothing to do with what's morally or economically right for society, just the way the systems are set up.
What business is it of ours, what a referee makes?
Do people come to tdmvp's work and say
"You make how much? Good god, teachers make less than that, WHAT AN OUTRAGE!"
You posted a more clarifying comment while I was typing this out, so I think we are on the same page. Becoming an NBA official is the inverse of becoming a teacher/soldier: very limited opportunity, but you are golden once you get there. I just wanted to make sure that we were not insulting teachers and soldiers by saying anyone could do their jobs, but only special people could be NBA officials. Supply and Demand. Check.
Grew up a military brat and have an undergrad in Education. Yeah, I was a bit defensive, you think?
Han Solo maybe...and that's only cuz his Falcon could run the Degoba System in 2 Parsecs..soldiers or mercenaries make about US$10k per week or month...something along the lines of that and its cash in hand
U.S. Soldiers would be lucky to make $ 260K in their entire careers. (Front Line, non-comish soldiers)
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