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there is a chance kg and td meet in the nba finals ?
I also think it's a bad trade for Minnesota...and that they could have had something more!!!
Telfair has been, till now, just a talented problem; Green just a talented leaper, not player; Ratliff an ex talented ('cause injured) shot-blocker.
Given Garnett's age, the trade could became a little more "even" if the Celts put in also, let's say, two or three first choices. Let's say their first choices in 2008 and 2010 draft...
Otherwise is all in Celtics favor...!!!
The Wolves just need to stop being so damn picky. They want so much for KG but they wont get it. They need to realize that. That franchise is a piece of and they are going to be worse regardless of if they keep KG or not. You might as well get something of decent value to start rebuilding. Telfair has potiential and he is cheap so he is worth the risk. Al Jefferson is also young and has potiential. Gerald Green is also young with talent. Add that to an nice expiring contract. 3 young players with potiential,picks and an expiring contract. Just face it Mchale, you are ed either way on this but you might as well bite the bullet and take what you can get.
More than that, if Boston doesn't make the Finals this year, the trade will have been a major disaster for them, because KG will be gone (and he may be gone no matter what).
In 3 years Celtic fans will be looking back longingly to the ML Carr 15-win glory days.
Suns and Celtics would be ratings GOLD!!!
KG is not opting out of the last year of his deal. There's no way in he's going to give up $24M when nobody else can pay him a fraction of that. So, at the very least they get him for 2 years. Plus, the will be able to re-sign him at more money than anybody else. If we know anything about KG, it's that he's going take as much money as possible, no matter what.
Regardless, at this point, I don't think either of these teams has a choice. Boston made their bed when they traded for Ray Allen. They gave up all hope for rebuilding through youth and decided to make a land grab. In the crappy East, it's probably not too bad of a decision. They could legitimately make the Finals with those 3 guys. They would have probably 3 of the best 8-10 players in the East. But once they gave up the #5 pick, their fate was sealed. They couldn't half-ass rebuild and half-ass trade the #5 pick for an aging 2 guard. It made no sense strategically.
At the same time, Minnesota has no choice either. They've got to dump Garnett and get anything they can for him. The reality is that there is nobody else that can/will take him. Phoenix is already capped out and it cost them 2 first rounders to dump an $8M expiring contract. There's no way their taking on KG's salary. The only other real options are Golden State, who just doesn't seem interested and the Lakers, who don't have enough pieces.
Both these teams are between a rock and hard place. This deal is going to get done, one way or another.
if the trade goes down..pencil in boston in the finals. and if this trade happens it just shows how much brains kevin mchale has..he and the damn scarecrow have the same amount of knowledge...i would hate to be a twolves fan right now..what about all the season ticket holders?? why would anybody want to see them play?? this can become the atlanta hawks all over again!! if this trade goes down the wolves are bascially saying that they have no intrest in trying to win and how the west is sooooo deep and strong...they wont make the playoffs in 5 years minimum..wolves are complete failure...damn must suck to be a wolves fan
Finally some exciting trade news in the NBA. Man, if this happens for the Celtics it would be huge for them. Pierce, Garrnet, Allen!!! Damn. The East really needs a powerhouse like this. All the current powerhouses are in the West. So this would be huge for the Celtics and the Eastern Conference.
Hopefully KG will not be traded to one of our rivals. That said Pierce, Allen and Garnett are are hi maintenance scorers. Who's going to sacrifice shots for the team good? Who's going to play D for Pierce and Allen? If completed the the Celts will become Suns East and nothing more. On paper that big three are better than our big 3 but I would't trade any one of ours for those guys even if they worked for half price.
This is the kind of stuff that bugs me about offseasons - "Big names" on underachieved teams who are "unwilling" to move. Garnett can make the playoffs in the East, yet in the West his team finishes 10th place at best - do it! I don't know why some of these so-called "big names" are so stubborn and unwilling to try new situations. It's not rocket science. All of these players that want to stay on the same damn teams their entire career without trying some new, if they haven't won a championship yet, they probably won't.
True I wouldnt trade any of those guys for any of our big three either. But this does look big for Boston. KG is as great of a defensive threat as he is on the offesive side of the ball. Leave alot of the scoring to Pierce and Allen-get a center in their to fill up the middle and plays some descent defensive and you dont have to worry about Pierce and Allen playing alot of defense. There is still some descent centers on the free agent list- Chris Webber rings a bell! I am assuming the Celtics are going to have to trade alot for KG...so they will probuly have roster spots open...and what player wouldnt want to play with a team like this.
Outside of an overrated Garnett, I still don't see who will play any lick of defense in Boston. Allen and Pierce on the court at the same time = opponents with a clear path to the basket.
Probably still good enough to get through the East, but that team would be abused Cav style by the top 3 teams in the west.
The Wolves won't win a lot of games but I'd enjoy watching Foye/Brewer/Jefferson develop.
They would be 5x better than the Cavs. How many games would the Cavs have one against us if they actually had some good players? At least 2 of them. There is no way Allen, Peirce, and Garnett all go on a "I can't hit for the entire game" streak like the Cavs did.
Yes, but this Big Three is better at every position besides PF (and Garnett can match Duncan's productivity, on a good day).
The Cavs played defense. The Celtics would not. The games would be higher scoring, but either the Spurs or Suns would smoke that Celtics team due to a complete lack of defense. Sure they could score fairly well, but they can't stop anyone.
I agree the Celtics sucked at defensive but there is still hope for them. KG and a descent big man in the middle who only cares about defensive and shoot blocking would help their defensive game.
You think Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are better than Parker and Ginobili????? What is this based on? Because from what I see, 2 of those players have 3 rings, 1 Olympic gold medal, 1 Finals MVP, 1 Euro MVP, and countless clutch shots and big game performances in the playoffs.
Yes, but if Ratliff goes in the trade, then Boston better hope Kedrick Perkins is ready to give them major minutes and good production at center, because he's the only decent one they have.
But what about Olowakandi, you say?
Take note, I said 'decent'.
I dunno, I think Pierce is a pretty underrated defender - in all of the Boston games I've watched, he's always been the one to take on the main scoring swingman of the opposing team.
While I wouldn't consider him a great defender by any means, I'd say the guy is capable of holding his own.
Allen, on the other hand, I totally agree with - guy's been pretty much a matador on defense the past few seasons. Ole!
Let me break it down very simply:
Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker have won in the NBA because they have played alongside Tim Duncan. If Tim weren't on this team, they wouldn't get nearly as many open shots or opportunities to drive the lane. They also would not be able to funnel all opposing slashers to the baseline (toward Tim) the way they do now.
And I also forgot all those games where Parker/Ginobili were the first option, or those games were Duncan fouled out/was injured and Parker/Ginobili still carried them to wins. I also forgot all those games where Duncan plays the entire 48 minutes alongside Parker/Ginobili to help them have open looks all game long.
Paul Pierce and Ray Allen are scorers. That is it. They do nothing else (well Pierce rebounds). They aren't leaders, they aren't defenders, they aren't energizers, they aren't the best finishers around the hoop. What have they done in their careers that warrants this? And the argument that Duncan is the reason why parker/Ginobili are good is quite over-rated.....especially with the current way the SPurs run their offense and plays.
I dont even like them and I see this!
cant wait to see KG choke with ray in the east
Thats what I'm thinking too. A poor man's Phx.
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