What nobody can deny is that Boston is undeniably better.
If by some way they get past the gauntlet that is the Eastern Conference playoffs, and beat Cleveland, Detroit or Chicago in the Eastern Finals....
I usually agree with your opinions, however these three make up 30% of the top ten players in the league, no? On one team. Who cares about the bench, there is always going to be a player who demands a double on the floor. And when they all play together their opponent may as well just save their energy for scoring and bring out the nail files or fingernail clippers or pumice stones when on defense. Do something constructive then hope their shooting is on.
Celtics will be a 7th seed at best. I expect Pierce and Allan to be injured most of the season, leaving KG to fend for himself again. At best I see 7th seed, 2nd round exit. Just cause you put 3 very talented superstars together doesn't mean .
Oh, I get it ... you're Pistons fans! On top of your conference for what, five years running now?
Hahaha.
has nothing to do with being a piston fan. Just cause you have 3 superstars doesn't mean you would be any good. If they can mesh, say injury free get some better players to help the big 3 then maybe then can be a contender, but as of right now I don't see them being much of anything but kind of old now with Allan and KG and injury prone Allan and Pierce.
I usually agree with your opinions, however these three make up 30% of the top ten players in the league, no? On one team. Who cares about the bench, there is always going to be a player who demands a double on the floor. And when they all play together their opponent may as well just save their energy for scoring and bring out the nail files or fingernail clippers or pumice stones when on defense. Do something constructive then hope their shooting is on.
I don't believe Ray Allen or Paul Pierce are top ten players in the league. KG undoubtedly is. And, Pierce may be close. But, Ray Allen, while still very good, is not a top 10 player, in my opinion.
At any rate, Ray Allen does not command double teams. KG and Paul Pierce make a formidable 1-2 punch, and as a third option, Ray Allen is scary. And, that's great. To me, without depth, Boston is unquestionably better, but I don't see them as the team to beat in the East.
Double teams off of Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins will result in what exactly? Will Rondo have a consistent jumper this year to make teams pay for doubling off of him? Will Kendrick Perkins all of a sudden become a solid midrange jumpshooting big man? And, you do realize more and more teams lean on different defensive zone looks when they have problems with individual players or get into foul trouble, right?
I would be foolish to say that Boston isn't better. Of course they are. All I'm saying is that it does not automatically mean they are the team to beat. I don't believe that at all.
There are teams like Detroit and New Jersey and Chicago that won't double any of those three players on Boston, and also have more depth and quality at the point guard and center positions to in response cause mismatch problems for the Celtics.
Now, if Danny Ainge is shrewd enough to get some quality cheaper players, then that might change my opinion.
But, right now, Boston's back up small forward is Brian Scalabrine. Their two point guards are currently Rajon Rondo and Gabe Pruitt. They have serious holes in the line-up.
And, both Allen and Pierce have had recent injury problems. If Pierce gets hurt for any stretch of games, who starts at small forward? Tony Allen? Leon Powe?
The depth is not bad. It is horrible.
Better, yes. The Eastern Conference team to beat? I'm not convinced.
LOL @ Pistons fans doing everything they can to convince themselves that Boston isn't that good now.
Holy , just saw the deal set in place on Sportscenter
garnett for jefferson, gomes, green, ratliff, telfair, and TWO first round picks
idk about anyone else but i think the celts get raped in this deal
No one's saying that Boston didn't get better, they're just not jumping on the championship bandwagon.
Teams need depth, role players, etc.
Didn't we all see what putting all superstars together did for the US team?
Nobody knows how this going to turn out, it could be really good, really bad, or somewhere in the middle. Doc Rivers is still the coach IIRC.
Boston is good.
Boston is not the team to beat in the Eastern Conference.
That's all I'm saying.
Detroit is not the team to beat in the Eastern Conference either. I don't think the Pistons make it to the Finals next year.
I think Chicago is better than Detroit. I think Cleveland is as good as Detroit. I think a healthy Miami team is as good as Detroit. I think New Jersey with better frontcourt depth could be one of the top teams in the conference.
I don't downplay Boston because I want or hope Detroit will win the East again. I don't expect Detroit to have the best record in the East, and I don't expect them to make it to the NBA Finals. I downplay Boston's roster because it still has plenty of holes in it. It does.
Ray Allen, Glen Robinson, Sam Cassell
Kevin Garnett, Stephon Marbury, Tom Gugliotta
Chris Webber, Peja Stojakovic, Mike Bibby
Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion
Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson
It doesn't automatically work. Most people agree it's an improvement. Most of us are just not convinced it hands over the conference to Boston with no debate.
Boston is getting rapped in this deal. They are giving away there best players. Three years from now they still won't have a banner to show for this trade.
I don't think there will be an ego problem ; those 3 guys just play to win
Those three guys have never won anything lets hold off before we crown them as the team to beat in the east.
KG and an Old Spree and Sammy were a broken back away from taking a much lesser talanted trio to the finals with three of there top six pretty much hobbled for the year.
Need i mention that was through a tougher WC.
KG, Spree, and Sam should not have been so Broke Back then.
boston sucked with their "best players". now, they're favorites to make the finals. i'd say it's a big improvement. yeah, they might have made the playoffs in a couple years with their core, but teams don't play to make the playoffs, they play to win championships. with this lineup, the celts have that opportunity now.
no, i'm pretty sure that's exactly what it means. especially in the ing ty ass eastern conference.
Did KG waive his trade clause?
Detroit fans shouldn't worry about Boston, they should worry about Cleveland.
Ray Allen does demand double teams? .438 FG, .372 3pt, 26.4 PPG, 4.1 assists
If two or more of these players are on the floor it's a defensive nightmare. How many teams have two superstars, let alone three, who can shoot well from anywhere on the floor? The deferring will be to the least of the defended ones of these three. No one can play zone all night.
I cannot imagine Ainge not springing for complimentary players, what does he have to lose at this point? Could you imagine if they signed Webber for vets minimum? Don't think it can't happen.
These guys, Garnett...Pierce....Allen, will play a relaxed game together, and you can't say enough about Garnett's ability to handle the ball. , he can play any position on the floor! Excuse my excitement. Nothing happening on my team, I gotta look elsewhere for some drama. :
There is no clear cut favorite in the East, but this does put Boston at the top with a few other teams.
Chicago
Boston
Washington
Detroit
Toronto
Jersey
Cleveland
Milwaukee
And saying that Boston doesn't have the depth needed....I don't buy it.
KG, Pierce and Ray are consistently in the top 10 for minutes played. They are the guys who are going to be on the floor.
PG will be handled by Rondo and Pruitt. Ray and Tony Allen can also play some PG if needed.
Tony Allen was looking great last year....till he had his idiot injury on the dunk. I look for him to return with a lot more confidence, being a key 6th man in the L.
Leon Powe should be ready to step up and be the reserve SF. He looked pretty sweet the last month of the reg season when he got minutes.
The frontcourt will be mostly handled by KG and Perkins. But they also have Scalibriene, Glen Davis and Brandon Wallace who they just signed.
They have more than enough help to offer the trio.
They just need to get it done in the next 2 or 3 years....cause after that, they fall back down to the basement.
I don't think they should be considered the favorite. In fact, I don't think there really is a true favorite in the East. But I'm pretty sure no one will want to face them in the playoffs.
Yeah, well.Oh, I get it ... you're Pistons fans! On top of your conference for what, five years running now?
Hahaha.
It's better than being a fan of a lottery team, no?
I for one will be psyched to see KG go to Boston. The East is sorely in need of better players and teams. Shaq going to Miami helped, and so will KG in Boston. I also will be glad for KG. I couldn't stand to see him waste another precious year on a team that doesn't even make the playoffs.
That being said, i don't think an Allen/Pierce/Garnett trio immediately gets Boston to the Finals. But now, they DO make the playoffs, and they do have a shot at going deep. But only a shot. I mean, all you have to do is look at Denver, with AI, Carmelo, Camby and Nene, and they didn't even make it past the first round!
Three great players is no guarantee of anything more than a playoff spot.
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