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Why? What's the difference between the two?
Might want to rephrase that gem.
it, that's my first sig.
Why? What's the difference between the two?
and forcing a human being to do somehting to their body because you feel bad is also immoral
If a baby can survive on their own outside the womb then it's too late.
End of story for my own beliefs. You can believe whatever you want john...
That's where we differ. I don't even consider a child at the point most abortions are done. Heck, the first trimester it is not biologically differentiable from the vast majority of animals at similar developmental stages.
So to me, at that point it's no different than killing a cow, or a pig.
The vast majority of pregnancies in which abortions are sought, result from voluntary sexual intercourse.
The ultimate irony is that the same 'pro-lifers' do their best to gut and defund any social programs dealing with basic healthcare for newborns of the uninsured... but,but,but they are pro-life.. just don't expect them to want to help fund the healthcare of those they desperately want to save..
I'm pretty damn near sure that since this argument hasn't been resolved in America over the past 50 years, open-minded folks like the type that post on this board probably aren't going to solve it here.
so what?
Well, pro-abortionists act as though the woman had no choice in whether or not to become pregnant. As though pregnancy is something completely beyond their control.
if a woman is a and has sex everyday and night she still has the right to have an abortion.. I may not agree with her lifestyle but it's not my place to tell her that she can't live the way she wants to. do you have that right?
So, why don't we allow them to abort babies right up until the moment they are declared "born?"
I would be against that. I have already clarified with you and everyone else on this board that I am against aborting a child if they can survive on their own outside the womb.. at that point they should just induce labor and let the baby be adopted..
Have you ever seen what a three month baby in a mother's womb looks like?
Check this medical journal of what is going on with an unborn chld in the third month of pregnancy.
10 weeks - The fetus weighs about 1/3 of an ounce. The heart is almost completely developed and very much resembles that of a newborn baby. An opening the atrium of the heart and the presence of a bypass valve divert much of the blood away from the lungs, as the child's blood is oxygenated through the placenta. The eyelids have fused shut and won't open again until week 27. The wrists and ankles have formed and the fingers and toes are clearly visible. Genitals have begun to from, but it is too early to tell the sex of the fetus. By this week of the pregnancy the placenta has developed enough to support most of the critical job of producing hormones .
11 weeks - The vital organs--the liver, kidneys, intestines, brain and lungs--are fully formed and beginning to function, while the the head is almost half the length of the entire body. The fetus is only about 2 inches long and weighs less than a half ounce but it is busy moving and kicking.
12 weeks - Vocal chords are complete, and the baby can and does sometimes cry silently. The brain is fully formed, and the baby can also feel pain. The fetus may even suck his thumb. The eyelids now cover the eyes, and will remain shut until the seventh month to protect the delicate optical nerve fibers. The hair is on the head and the fingers and toes have developed soft nails. The kidneys are developed and begin to secrete urine.
So, what do you say to all the dead babies who were aborted -- for convenience -- before science and medicine was advanced enough to ensure their survivability outside the womb? The age of viability has been steadily receding and there are literally millions of dead babies that were aborted in the past that, by your definition could now survive outside the womb.
Since when are human rights defined by medicine's ability to preserve them?
cells in a petrie dish are far different from a human being..
I'm assuming you are not talking about me.
Yes I have.. I have a child of my own..still doesn't take away from the fact that the child you descride would not survive outside the womb..the woman should have the right to not have a child if she does not want one..
Do you moan and complain about social programs for the poor? And then turn around and profess your belief that abortion is wrong?
..using science, we can create life now without a momma and a papa, so do these cloned cells have alienable rights too?
I'm not talking about a petrie dish.
So the line is drawn at the end of the third month?
Three month minus one day is ok, thre months plus one day is not.
Do you realize that makes no sense?
this is where the 'pro lifers' lose me.. on one hand they don't support using excess embryos for medical research... they say 'you are destroying life' ..when you ask them what happens to these cells if they aren't used? They gleefully say they are destroyed... they are happy that these embryos are destroyed.. I have yet to find anyone to articulate a position that makes sense on this contradiction..
No, they don't and they'll spend 35 pages of this thread avoiding that very distinction.
Must be nice to draw such an arbitrary line for a child.
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