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The Celtics have been building for the future for like 20 years now...
Doc Rivers will this up. At least Minny will get some cap relief.
The Celtics have been building for the future for like 20 years now...
Garnett, Allen and Pierce should get together and talk about the upcoming season. In fact they need to call a team meeting and talk about this whole situation and how the rotation and the touches are going to go. If Celts make it to the finals against the Spurs, it would be good marketing; Stern would love it - TD vs KG. And the whole nation can see who is the best PF, when TD gives Garnett a spanking.
Now we need to sign Udoka.
The Celtics look pretty good after this trade...I'm just still seriously worried about their depth. They have a starting lineup of Rondo/Allen/Pierce/Garnett/Perkins, which is extremely strong. The problem is that beyond those 5 guys they have basically nothing. If you're a Celtics fan you have to be praying that Glen "Big Baby" Davis picks things up quickly and that Brian Scalabrine can elevate his game. Otherwise, you're hosed. If the Celts can sign some cheap vets at the minimum (the Jacque Vaughn type) that know how to handle themselves then they'll be ok. But one injury to any of the starting 5 (even Rondo or Perkins, but especially Allen, Pierce and Garnett) and their chances of competing go way down.
Should be fun. I'm happy to see the Celtics make themselves relevant again.
Interesting observations by Stein on how this is all going to work out.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...TradeKicker101
Trade Kicker 101: Lots of math involved in a KG megadeal
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
Updated: July 26, 2007
As we inch closer to a real, live Kevin Garnett trade, you will hear and read more about the trade bonus in Garnett's contract -- more commonly known as a trade kicker -- and how it has impact on Minnesota's forthcoming deal with Boston.
The following four-step breakdown dissects the trade-kicker specifics involved here and some of the other math variables tied to this megadeal.
But first some background: A good deal of this knowledge comes from ESPN.com capologist/Trade Machine maestro Nick Silva and our dear friend Larry Coon. Professor Coon not only has a handy knack for distilling salary-cap complexities into understandable English while running one of the best websites known to man -- his NBA Salary Cap FAQ -- but also is a former student and teacher at the prestigious an Tech ... which is more commonly known as Cal State Fullerton.
On to the breakdown:
1. Garnett only has a limited ability to waive his trade kicker. He can't just waive it to make a trade easier -- even if he wanted to -- no matter what you've heard or read. The rules state that Garnett can only waive the amount necessary to make a deal legal based on salary-cap rules.
So how would this work in real life?
Garnett's salary for next season is $22 million and the trade kicker is $6.75 million, meaning that Boston would have to accommodate $28.75 million in salary and send out at least $22.92 million in a trade if Garnett is to receive the full bonus.
But the latest incarnation of the trade is believed to include the following five Celtics for a total of $18,921,547: Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair and Ryan Gomes. If no other Celtics are added to the deal, Boston could only take back $23,751,934 in salary, meaning Garnett would have to consent to waiving nearly $5 million of his trade kicker ... $4,998,066 to be exact.
Garnett's take-home trade bonus would thus be reduced to $1,751,934. But the assumption is that he would more than make that back in the long-term extension he's expected to receive from the Celtics as part of this extravaganza.
2. Garnett is one of only a handful of current players whose trade kicker causes such havoc.
The league's most recent labor agreement stipulates that a trade kicker cannot raise a player's salary above the maximum salary allowed. Yet players such as Garnett, who were signed prior to the 2005-06 season, have seen their contracts grandfathered in and are not subject to this restriction.
The problem is that a language error in the new agreement made grandfathered players like Garnett -- as well as Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki and a few others -- technically untradeable. This necessitated an amendment which stipulates that such players can be traded, with the player's full trade kicker applied to the trade and waived only in the cir stances explained in No. 1.
League officials, I'm told, preferred putting Garnett and Co. in position to collect their full trade bonus as opposed to giving them what would amount to no-trade authority. This way the teams retain more control and can always choose not to do a trade if they don't want to pay the bonus.
3. If a Garnett trade had been completed before July 1, Garnett's trade kicker would have been charged in equal amounts to Boston's payroll last season and next season at $3.375 million each. Completing the deal after July 1 requires Boston to charge the entire $6.75 million to its 2007-08 payroll.
That's one big reason why trading for Garnett after the draft became a virtual impossibility for the Phoenix Suns.
Phoenix, sources say, was Garnett's preferred destination if he had to leave the only team he has ever played for, but the Suns wanted to complete a deal without getting deeper in luxury-tax purgatory ... and without surrendering Amare Stoudemire. Typical Suns, wanted to give up nothing to get something big. Kind of like they don't want to play defense but think they should win a championship anyway.
Yet since the Suns are over the luxury-tax threshold, even after shedding Kurt Thomas' contract, they'd have to pay $13.5 million just for Garnett's trade kicker, without even accounting for his salary or the assets they'd have to give up to get KG.
While the salary-cap math in a hypothetical KG-to-Phoenix deal might have allowed Garnett to waive some of his trade bonus and thus make things a little more palatable, the most likely scenarios after July 1 would have had the Suns incurring astronomical costs to make this happen.
The Celtics, by contrast, will only stray into luxury-tax territory after adding Garnett, but sources say Celtics ownership is comfortable doing so for a player of Garnett's stature.
4. The longest extension Garnett can sign with the Celtics is a four-year deal. Garnett has two seasons left on his current contract and the total -- contract plus extension -- can't exceed six years.
Sparing you all the complicated calculations, side restrictions involved here and unknowns about where the salary cap will be in July 2009, Coon contends that the most lucrative extension Garnett could sign is a four-year package worth an estimated $116 million.
Trust me: You won't get a more bankable figure than that. Especially for someone who has never proven that he can make a team better.
Al Jeff isn't nearly that good. Minnesota got creamed in this deal, but they kind of had to. Since they had to sell Garnett now, it's not terrible.
Doc Rivers is still coaching right? Right.
This would be a better trade for the Celtics if they weren't saddled with an idiot coach.
For Minny, getting Jefferson and Gomes is decent; along with the cap relief. Telfair has gone from being traded for a first round pick...to filler.
I see them as the 5th, possibly 4th best team in the league now...behind the spurs, mavs, suns, and possibly the heat...
suns vs celtics games should be a fun to watch
With KG they were constantly out of playoff.
Nothing to lose.
Boston fleeced Minny on this. Jefferson and Green are both talented, but are both head cases as well. Ainge finally did something that was not stupid.
Never thought I'd see the day, but good for KG.
That new Celtics team may challenge in the East, but they still wont beat the top three teams in the West.
He faced Mchale on that one so he had some chances winning ...
spurs and celtics in the finals???
bring it on.
I am glad he's not in the west, or on the Suns.
Good for the Celts, they should really make a splash now, three of their guys averaged over 24 points and they are going to be instant east favorites.
I can't wait to read Simmon's take on this
should do good in the leastern conference .. but they have no depth after the starting five.. I wonder if ray allen will accept a manu type of 6th man roll to help them out.. but what do I know... lol
They will already have a good 6th man coming off the bench if Tony Allen comes back full strength. I think Big baby and Leon Powe will also be able to contribute off the bench. They def have to get a couple more guards though
Al Jefferson is going to be a 20 and 10 player within two years. Gerald Green can score. This is a good trade for the Celtics for the next two seasons. But looking back on it in five years, it'll be a steal for the T'Wolves.
The Celtics are now in championship or bust mode. If they don't win a championship, they are soon going to be in an even worse position than they were last season.
Last edited by timvp; 07-30-2007 at 06:58 PM.
Doesn't matter that much. Most of the rest of the East can be described as "basically nothing" anyway. This trade makes Boston THE team to beat in the east. Period.
Who's gonna beat 'em?
You get three playoff losers together...and you have three playoff losers....and no bench. Of course, Cleveland managed to make the Finals this year, so I suppose anything is possible. And WTF is Boston thinking with that extension? They're going to be paying a 37 YO K.G like $30M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll reiterate what I said yesterday, with emphasis:
"Boston lost half their pieces in the Allen trade and needed to make another blockbuster to try and do something in Pierce's window. KG+Allen+Pierce equals playoffs if they can get a decent distributing PG and Doc Rivers doesn't mess it up.
After the 2nd decadal Boston draft fiasco (see Simmons, Bill), Boston needed to go either full-on rebuild or shop everything they had and put together some big deals. I would have done the former, they did the latter, and if they do this deal they have a 1 year window to prove something with those three. They're doing a Redsox and going for instant gratification rather than building around Jefferson, and in doing so are mortgaging their future.
I think they'll be interesting next year and flame out in the second round, then KG will head somewhere else, Allen's ankles will pack it in and they'll have to trade Pierce for prospects and go into full rebuild mode. That will also be the end of Rivers and Ainge, and Bill Simmons will be found on the ledge of a tall building, mumbling incoherently with a torn Celtics #44 in his fists. Book it."
The only difference is that it looks like KG will sign an extension, so yeah, this team has 2-3 years and then has to rebuild.
Eagerly awaiting the Simmons article about this...
you guys are REALLY overrrating the celtics, even after this trade.
the team lacks depth, allen is only getting older, and it's gonna take a lot more than a 3 man team to win it all
Allen will be good for quite a few more years. he is not a fitness player. He plays basketball like stockton did in terms of playing to his strengths. he is coming off a career year at 31/32.
Celtics still have their MLE and LLE...i would expect them to fill out their roster with decent bench players.
spurs basically won the le with 3 main guys. why can't other teams do it?
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