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    All of you guys picking Manu over Dirk, please perform the following mental exercise:

    The NBA is disbanded and a new league has taken its place. You are the GM of one of the new teams, and the two best players available to you are Dirk Nowitzki and Manu Ginobili.

    Are you telling me it's easier to build around Manu than Dirk? Dirk has been the centerpiece of one of the best teams in the NBA since 2001. Manu has been a wingman to the Spurs centerpiece, Tim Duncan.

    My feeling, and I'm spitballing here, is that it's a lot easier to be the wingman than the alpha dog.

    (Please spare me any Olympic references. Manu was heroic in the Olympics, but we're discussing the NBA, not FIBA)

    I would think twice before spending 20mil a year on a "SuperStar" that continues to choke.

    Manu would be cheaper, and has proven himself time and time again. Although past his prime?

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    But would a team with Manu as its best player even be in a position to choke? I doubt it, and they'd probably finish with, at best, a #6 seed.

    Think of Kobe's teams since Shaq left to get a rough idea.

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    All of you guys picking Manu over Dirk, please perform the following mental exercise:

    The NBA is disbanded and a new league has taken its place. You are the GM of one of the new teams, and the two best players available to you are Dirk Nowitzki and Manu Ginobili.

    Are you telling me it's easier to build around Manu than Dirk? Dirk has been the centerpiece of one of the best teams in the NBA since 2001. Manu has been a wingman to the Spurs centerpiece, Tim Duncan.

    My feeling, and I'm spitballing here, is that it's a lot easier to be the wingman than the alpha dog.

    (Please spare me any Olympic references. Manu was heroic in the Olympics, but we're discussing the NBA, not FIBA)
    If I am the average fan, I take Dirk. Because, as the AVERAGE FAN, I only look at the stat line. If I am an NBA GM, I take Manu, because I know that he has the amount of HEART and PASSION which it takes to WIN! Court/ Lockeroom Leadership doesn't always show up in the form of points, assists, ect. It comes also from diving for loose balls, inspiring your teamates at the right time. It's having YOUR ING EYE GOUGED OUT, and still remaining in the game. WOULD DIRK DO THAT? It's about playing through injuries such as plantar ficiatus (?), two sprained ankles, yet still having enough in the tank to bring home another CHAMPIONSHIP. It's knowing what the team needs from you, and DOING IT.

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    If I am the average fan, I take Dirk. Because, as the AVERAGE FAN, I only look at the stat line. If I am an NBA GM, I take Manu, because I know that he has the amount of HEART and PASSION which it takes to WIN! Court/ Lockeroom Leadership doesn't always show up in the form of points, assists, ect. It comes also from diving for loose balls, inspiring your teamates at the right time. It's having YOUR ING EYE GOUGED OUT, and still remaining in the game. WOULD DIRK DO THAT? It's about playing through injuries such as plantar ficiatus (?), two sprained ankles, yet still having enough in the tank to bring home another CHAMPIONSHIP. It's knowing what the team needs from you, and DOING IT.
    I was comparing Dirk and Manu. Notice anything wrong with the part in bold? Here, let me copy and paste just that part:

    It's about playing through injuries such as plantar ficiatus (?), two sprained ankles, yet still having enough in the tank to bring home another CHAMPIONSHIP.
    1) That didn't happen to Manu, it happened to Tim.
    2) Of course I would pick Tim over Dirk, but that wasn't what was being discussed.
    3) So you really think a team that had Manu as its best player would be better than a team that had Dirk as its best player? And please, try to limit your all-caps words in response. Use bold or underline or something else.

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    I'd like to see one of his overlong, pompous articles explain how the Dikembe Mutumbo had a better career than Patrick Ewing.
    HE WANTS TO SEX MUTUMBO!!







    (I can't beleive I didn't think of that one at first . . . )

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    The key phrase of why Rosen put Manu so high is that Manu has been a winner at every level he has played. Think about that. I personally feel that Manu is one of the most unique players that I have seen in the game, and I'm talking at least 40 years of watching and being a fan of the NBA. A player like Manu comes along once in a generation and I personally feel honored and blessed to have seen him play and especially moreso because he is a Spur. There may be more talented and better players but no one matches Manu's courage on a basketball court, no one.

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    6. Dirk Nowitzki (Germany). His inep ude in the clutch almost cancels out his immense talents.


    so true

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    I would think twice before spending 20mil a year on a "SuperStar" that continues to choke.

    Manu would be cheaper, and has proven himself time and time again. Although past his prime?
    great point, you could spend less $ on picking Manu over Dirk, spend what you save on better talent and come out with a better team.

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    Dirk sixth is a joke. Yeah he choked but still, he's damn good.
    how many les at any level does he have?

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    As usual, Rosen manages to screw up a perfectly good premise.

    Nash is Canadian, but was born in S.A.

    Who cares where they were actually born? Ben Gordon and Dominique Wilkins? WTF, those are not international players. And really, the question was asked in a way such that Duncan and Ewing and the like should be excluded, too.
    I was born in Japan, but that doesn't make me Japanese. Rosen took some editorial license with compiling his list of "foreign" players.

    A simple google search gleaned these facts:

    Wilkins was born in France because his dad was in the U.S. Air Force.

    Ben Gordon was born in London and his parents moved to America three weeks later. Was raised in NYC.

    Rolando Blackman? Raised in NYC, attended KSU, was on the 1980 U.S. Olympic Team.

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    how many les at any level does he have?
    What do les have to do with a list based on individual talent?

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    i'm shocked he didn't put oberto and beno in their above dirk as well. i'm even more shocked he didn't find a way to prove that finley, bowen, barry, bonner, & vaughn were foreign players as well so that he could have the top 10 all Spurs and complete the entire Spurs-suckfest that this article was.

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    i'm shocked he didn't put oberto and beno in their above dirk as well. i'm even more shocked he didn't find a way to prove that finley, bowen, barry, bonner, & vaughn were foreign players as well so that he could have the top 10 all Spurs and complete the entire Spurs-suckfest that this article was.
    ahahahahahaha...

    Duncan= 4 rings
    Tony=Mvp finals
    Manu=3 rings, Olympics Champion, Euroleague Champion.
    Bowen=3 rings, master D,
    Oberto: NBA champion, Olympics Champion, SpainLeague Champion
    Beno=2 rings

    Dirk=O ring = Olympics Champion=...
    Dirk=little girl in troubles

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