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    For what it's worth, Mark Cuban's PR spokesman has responded:

    http://dallasbasketball.com/newmainArticle.asp?id=204
    Oh, man. Avery is a goner.

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    Oh, man. Avery is a goner.
    Don't think so. Fish is Cubes' stenographer.

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    Yeah. This is the dreaded "vote of confidence".

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    Yeah. This is the dreaded "vote of confidence".
    I think the Mavs would be crazy to ditch Avery. Cuban is nuts, but not when it comes to managing his portfolio.

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    The Fish is the biggest tool in Dallas sports media.

    Avery is shaping up to be a great coach, yes. But he's not there yet. As I've said before, the time to win is NOW so THE FUTURE and win right now....

    If Avery can do that while learning on the job, that's all the more great....but if we keep failing in the playoffs and his inability to outcoach the guy on the other side of the court continues to be a big reason why, then I would have no problem with bringing in a more experienced coach who has won a le or two in his time to try and lead this team to a championship before it's too late.

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    Actually, I don't think Cuban would fire Avery either. For all his shenanigans, Cuban is actually relatively stable with his key personnel.

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    The Fish is the biggest tool in Dallas sports media.
    Maybe so, but Cuban pays him to run DB.com, so I assume he is putting out what Cuban wants.

    Avery is shaping up to be a great coach, yes.
    Then the matter is settled.

    But he's not there yet. As I've said before, the time to win is NOW so THE FUTURE and win right now....
    The time to win is yesterday, today, tomorrow and ten years from now.

    ....but if we keep failing in the playoffs and his inability to outcoach the guy on the other side of the coach continues to be a big reason why,
    Funny how Avery was a genius when we beat San Antonio, but is now a dumbass after losing to Gordon Gecko and Nellie. I maintain that those were team failures from the owner's suite all the way down to the ballboys.

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    You can always spin things in any direction if you get bored. Is keeping this team in tact a "vote of confidence" or does it finger AJ as the culprit for the loss? Management is really saying that this team is good enough to win a championship, it's up the coach to make it happen!

    I don't buy that AJ is on the hot seat. Another embarrassing playoff exit like this last year and I might believe it, but right now I think the person putting most pressure on AJ is himself. Dude hates to lose.

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    You can always spin things in any direction if you get bored. Is keeping this team in tact a "vote of confidence" or does it finger AJ as the culprit for the loss? Management is really saying that this team is good enough to win a championship, it's up the coach to make it happen!

    I don't buy that AJ is on the hot seat. Another embarrassing playoff exit like this last year and I might believe it, but right now I think the person putting most pressure on AJ is himself. Dude hates to lose.
    The fact is, Avery's shelf life as a coach is a lot longer than Dirk's as a star player. One thing he's done that Nellie couldn't is get this team past the Spurs and into the Finals, as well as turning this team into something resembling competence on the defensive end of the floor. That counts for a lot, and that ability as a coach has a lot more staying power than the current team that is going to be built around Dirk for the next five years.

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    The time to win is yesterday, today, tomorrow and ten years from now.
    sounds like something the Maloof brothers would say circa 2003.

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    sounds like something the Maloof brothers would say circa 2003.
    Mark Cuban's a lot more competent than them, and the Kings probably would've won a le if Webber hadn't gotten hurt. Robert Horry's miracle shot and crooked refs didn't help either.

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    The fact is, Avery's shelf life as a coach is a lot longer than Dirk's as a star player. One thing he's done that Nellie couldn't is get this team past the Spurs and into the Finals, as well as turning this team into something resembling competence on the defensive end of the floor. That counts for a lot, and that ability as a coach has a lot more staying power than the current team that is going to be built around Dirk for the next five years.
    The fact is, Quinn Buckner could coach this team to 55+ wins every season. We have no idea just how great of a coach Avery is because he inherited a championship-caliber team. We won't know he's great until he wins a le or until after this team is blown up and we have to rebuild. If we go into rebuild mode with no championship to speak of, and Avery continues to be outcoached the next 3 to 5 years in the playoffs, then maybe it was a mistake to keep him on board.

    As far as Avery outcoaching Popovich......When you're already a three time champion, you can afford to have an off series coaching. Avery doesn't have the skins on the wall to afford the playoff blunders he's commited.

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    We have no idea just how great of a coach Avery is because he inherited a championship-caliber team.
    The he did. He inherited a soft team that couldn't play defense. He turned it into something formidable without major roster changes.

    As far as Avery outcoaching Popovich......When you're already a three time champion, you can afford to have an off series coaching. Avery doesn't have the skins on the wall to afford the playoff blunders he's commited
    Who says he outcoached Pop? I thought the "chess match" was about even. The Mavs are just a bad X's and O's matchup for San Antonio. Pop did what he could by going small. That more than anything helped San Antonio rally to tie the series up. It was more of a general comment on how you're an idiot when you lose and Stephen Hawking when you win in the eyes of the public.

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    The he did. He inherited a soft team that couldn't play defense. He turned it into something formidable without major roster changes.
    he inherited a team that had made it to the WCF and held their own against the Spurs even then. the team didn't exactly suck ass under Nelson.

    Who says he outcoached Pop? I thought the "chess match" was about even. The Mavs are just a bad X's and O's matchup for San Antonio. Pop did what he could by going small. That more than anything helped San Antonio rally to tie the series up. It was more of a general comment on how you're an idiot when you lose and Stephen Hawking when you win in the eyes of the public.
    and unless you're stephen hawking for 16 postseason wins, you failed.

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    he inherited a team that had made it to the WCF and held their own against the Spurs even then. the team didn't exactly suck ass under Nelson.
    They didn't suck, but they were championship pretenders. There's a reason they lost that series, and it's not because Dirk got hurt.



    and unless you're stephen hawking for 16 postseason wins, you failed
    Even the Spurs fail half the time. It's rather unrealistic to expect perfection year in and year out.

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    They didn't suck, but they were championship pretenders. There's a reason they lost that series, and it's not because Dirk got hurt.
    They were alot closer to winning a le than the Clippers, and about 25 other NBA teams back then.

    Even the Spurs fail half the time. It's rather unrealistic to expect perfection year in and year out.
    i'm not asking for it year in and year out. i'm asking for it once. with the team he inherited and the positions he's been in, that hasn't been an unrealistic expectation.

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    They were alot closer to winning a le than the Clippers, and about 25 other NBA teams back then.
    So Nellie gets a pass for "close, but no cigar," but not Avery?


    i'm not asking for it year in and year out. i'm asking for it once. with the team he inherited and the positions he's been in, that hasn't been an unrealistic expectation
    So am I. Given Trader Mark's first few years in the League, I think it's important that the organization sheds its label as being unable and prone to switching philosophies and personnel on a dime. Coaches and star free agents aren't going to want to come here if they think they're on the next plane out of town at the whim of Cuban.

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    So Nellie gets a pass for "close, but no cigar," but not Avery?
    Is Nellie still coaching the Mavericks?

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    Is Nellie still coaching the Mavericks?
    He still would be if Steve Nash had been resigned. His heart wasn't in it after his mancrush went to the desert.

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