Parker, on Spurs at ude...

[wildbill2u]

You just have to hope that these superb athletes don't get a career ending injury in some international game or a pickup game or hobby for that matter.

They could get hit by a bus crossing the street, but they accept the risk of their personal decisions.

[smrattler]

The difference with you, after his trip to SA, Parker won't get a lot of rest : he will play BB with French NT.

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You had too to put think in perspective : it's not a big deal. It's more a matter of principle : Spurs have chosen the easier for them instead of choosing the better one for Parker (either trusting French doctor or sending Spurs' doctors in France).

Won't disagree that playing for the French team in the summer adds a toll on the body. Maybe he's better at it being so young still, but it will catch up. And injuries that linger all summer and playing through them and jumping back into camp, that adds a toll even on a young player.

But this is a seperate topic. That note by that author mentioned the trip. Trips in general, traveling in the offseason, who cares?

Like I said, TPs never been one to not come into camp in shape. Ready to go. I have confidence he knows his body and knows when he needs to get his rest in the offseason.

[JPB]

have you ever been on a plane? you know you just sit there, right?

[Bruno]

getting to play for his national team is a privilege granted to him by the Franchise that PAYS him.

That's your POV and I don't share it.

and i'll use these as haphazardly as i please, and when someone trys to make a point with an excerpt of an article that does not substantiate the point in question, i will roll my eyes, every time.

You because you thought Parker tired was an invention of a journalist while it was what Parker has said. You're wrong, plain and simple.

have you ever been on a plane? you know you just sit there, right?

You had too to put think in perspective : it's not a big deal. It's more a matter of principle

[thispego]

You because you thought Parker tired was an invention of a journalist while it was what Parker has said. You're wrong, plain and simple.

when people post incomplete articles with no links, incorrect conclusions are to be expected

[phxspurfan]

who started that thing, rolling of the eyes?




was it my bff jill?

[Bruno]

But this is a seperate topic. That note by that author mentioned the trip. Trips in general, traveling in the offseason, who cares?

Not, it's not a separate topic. It's not the offseason for Parker, it's the season with his NT.

[thispego]

After that, it's quite easy to understand why Spurs asking Parker to come back in SA isn't a good thing for Parker. The more tiring is summer will be, the bigger impact it will have on his nba season.

You had too to put think in perspective : it's not a big deal. It's more a matter of principle : Spurs have chosen the easier for them instead of choosing the better one for Parker (either trusting French doctor or sending Spurs' doctors in France).

what's the principle? and you're right.. it's not a big deal

[Bruno]

when people post incomplete articles with no links, incorrect conclusions are to be expected

It was just an other article than the one I've posted.
I'm sure a link to a French article would have help you a lot...

You was wrong, deal with that. STFU or continue to ridicules yourself.

[thispego]

Not, it's not a separate topic. It's not the offseason for Parker, it's the season with his NT.

that's where you're wrong

you sure do want him playing alot for someone who is so concerned with preserving Parker's health and energy.

[thispego]

Tired by his long return trip (in only five days), TP precised that he was still struggling a bit with his ankle. Not totally recovered, Parker doesn't envisage to play this week-end in strasbourg. Games are on tv. Thank god, Boris seems to be able to play.

parker didnt say the travel affected him.. the author of the article did

It was just an other article than the one I've posted.
I'm sure a link to a French article would have help you a lot...

You was wrong, deal with that. STFU or continue to ridicules yourself.

where in the original post does it say that parker said he was tired?
listen. you can act as butt hurt as you want about all of this but you are coming across as very ignorant. Are your ethnocentric ideals bruised? Do you think that the Spurs think that your french doctors aren't good enough? Get over yourself, immediately.

[ShoogarBear]

The difference with you, after his trip to SA, Parker won't get a lot of rest : he will play BB with French NT.

The fact that Parker has had to make a big trip in the middle of the NT preparation make his summer with French NT more tiring (physically and mentally).
If Parker is tired next season, the fact that has has played with French NT this summer will be pointed as a reason of that.

After that, it's quite easy to understand why Spurs asking Parker to come back in SA isn't a good thing for Parker. The more tiring is summer will be, the bigger impact it will have on his nba season.

You had too to put think in perspective : it's not a big deal. It's more a matter of principle : Spurs have chosen the easier for them instead of choosing the better one for Parker (either trusting French doctor or sending Spurs' doctors in France).

Spurs haven't done all they could have done to minimize Parker's tiredness. By doing that, they have lost the right to whine about French NT if Parker is injured or tired this season.

Not to mention that Parker's ankle would have heal better following rehab in France instead of being in a plane.

Ummmm, you already noted he's still going to be resting after the injury. Don't you think he'll be rested from the plane ride before he steps on the court again? I don't get why you're making such a big deal out of this.

[Bruno]

that's where you're wrong

you sure do want him playing alot for someone who is so concerned with preserving Parker's health and energy.

I want nothing. Parker has played 103 nba games this year, I wouldn't have said a word if he had decided not to play with his NT this summer.

The reason why Parker plays with his NT this summer is because he wants it.

[thispego]

I want nothing. Parker has played 103 nba games this year, I wouldn't have said a word if he had decided not to play with his NT this summer.

The reason why Parker plays with his NT this summer is because he wants it.

right, because you respect parker's decision.... the Spurs don't get that same respect from you?

[Bruno]

where in the original post does it say that parker said he was tired?

Do you realize that with your post you're assuming that Parker being tired is a made up thing by the journalist.

Are your ethnocentric ideals bruised?
Do you think that the Spurs think that your french doctors aren't good enough? Get over yourself, immediately.

You're way off. I don't see at all this story as a France/USA thing.
And Spurs medical staff don't trust at all NT medical staffs.

[Bruno]

right, because you respect parker's decision.... the Spurs don't get that same respect from you?

I don't like every single decision made by Parker as I don't like every single decision made by Spurs.

The fact that for this specific thing, I have no problem with Parker's choice but I don't like Spurs' choice, doesn't mean that I respect less Spurs than Parker.

[timvp]

1) I agree with Bruno that the Spurs should have just sent a trainer over to France to deal with Parker's injury. Doing it the way the Spurs did it was just the cheap way out.

2) It's kinda amusing that Bruno uses the "Spurs are the professionals, whatever they do can't be questioned, it doesn't matter what timvp thinks, the Spurs are always right" approach to everything regarding the Spurs ... except when it comes to Tony Parker on planes.

3) I thought this was a very minor injury? Parker is talking about stiffness in his ankle. According to the French doctors, he was going to be 100% healthy by now. Either French doctors are hard asses who want players to suck it up and play through injuries or the French team needs to find some doctors who have a clue. A "very mild" sprain wouldn't be stiff a week or two weeks later, however long it has been.

[Bruno]

Ummmm, you already noted he's still going to be resting after the injury. Don't you think he'll be rested from the plane ride before he steps on the court again? I don't get why you're making such a big deal out of this.

I don't make a big deal of this.

[Bruno]

3) I thought this was a very minor injury? Parker is talking about stiffness in his ankle. According to the French doctors, he was going to be 100% healthy by now. Either French doctors are hard asses who want players to suck it up and play through injuries or the French team needs to find some doctors who have a clue. A "very mild" sprain wouldn't be stiff a week or two weeks later, however long it has been.

What I've read about that is that Parker ankle wasn't really sprained because his ligaments are very elastic.
However, he had a pocket of blood in his foot (I don't know really how to translate that) and it could take time before the blood goes away (up to slightly more than one week).
Parker's stiffness is maybe because the pocket isn't fully empty. The fact that he hasn't received treatment each day because of flights has likely slow a little the recovery.

[timvp]

What I've read about that is that Parker ankle wasn't really sprained because his ligaments are very elastic.
However, he had a pocket of blood in his foot (I don't know really how to translate that) and it could take time before the blood goes away (up to slightly more than one week).
Parker's stiffness is maybe because the pocket isn't fully empty. The fact that he hasn't received treatment each day because of flights has likely slow a little the recovery.

Two questions:

1) How long ago was the injury?

2) Didn't the French doctors claim that'd he'd be 100% for the Streuselheim tournament that starts tomorrow?

[thispego]

Do you realize that with your post you're assuming that Parker being tired is a made up thing by the journalist..

"They're the ones who are paying me so I'm obliged to respect what they're asking me. You have to put yourself into their position, when you see the money they're spending to pay us."

For those who said travels wouldn't affect him. Here's a part of the article :

Tired by his long return trip (in only five days), TP precised that he was still struggling a bit with his ankle. Not totally recovered, Parker doesn't envisage to play this week-end in strasbourg. Games are on tv. Thank god, Boris seems to be able to play.

the journalist said Parker was tired, the journalist did not quote parker saying "yes, i am tired from the flight". Thia is the only part of the article that was supplied to us. this part of the article DOES NOT indicate that PARKER said he was tired. In JPB's quote of the article, the JOURNALIST says Parker is tired... do you REALIZE THAT???

You're way off. I don't see at all this story as a France/USA thing.
And Spurs medical staff don't trust at all NT medical staffs.

It's not a matter of trust. take this as an example.... you dont mind paying someone to wash your car or mow your lawn but if you want it done RIGHT (the way you want it done) then do it yourself. That's how I see it.

[Bruno]

Two questions:

1) How long ago was the injury?

2) Didn't the French doctors claim that'd he'd be 100% for the Streuselheim tournament that starts tomorrow?

1) he injured his ankle on July 27th.

2) French doctors have said on July 28th that Parker was out for the 29th July and 4th August games. They have said that he should be back for the 10th but it wasn't a sure thing, it depends on how quickly the blood goes away.

I don't get what is your point : even the best doctor isn't able to say : "you will be back this day". Recovery length isn't rocket science but one thing is sure : if Parker wasn't at 100%, he wouldn't have played.

[Bruno]

the journalist said Parker was tired, the journalist did not quote parker saying "yes, i am tired from the flight". Thia is the only part of the article that was supplied to us. this part of the article DOES NOT indicate that PARKER said he was tired. In JPB's quote of the article, the JOURNALIST says Parker is tired... do you REALIZE THAT???

And because the journalist said it and not Parker, you say that it's wrong ?

It's not a matter of trust. take this as an example.... you dont mind paying someone to wash your car or mow your lawn but if you want it done RIGHT (the way you want it done) then do it yourself. That's how I see it.

I don't say Spurs medical staff thinks that NT medical staff are really bad, they just don't trust them. Spurs wanted to be sure that Parker injury wasn't serious and the fact that French NT medical staff says it wasn't enough for Spurs.
It's more : you don't want to let someone else wash your car because you aren't sure that he won't scratch it. As a result, you wash it yourself.

[T Park]

Im glad to see Parker has seen the light and understands it from acommon sense point of view.

[thispego]

And because the journalist said it and not Parker, you say that it's wrong ?




I don't say Spurs medical staff thinks that NT medical staff are really bad, they just don't trust them. Spurs wanted to be sure that Parker injury wasn't serious and the fact that French NT medical staff says it wasn't enough for Spurs.
It's more : you don't want to let someone else wash your car because you aren't sure that he won't scratch it. As a result, you wash it yourself.

I was thinking more like, you'd rather wash your car yourself because if you let someone else they might not clean all the little nooks and crannies, they might leave streaks, they might not vacuum under the seat, etc, etc... I dont blame the spurs for wanting to look at parker themselves. and from your most recent description of the injury, it appears worse than originally thought by the NT.