Well Manu has ed up plenty of clutch time inbounds and what not. I think Parker has proven himself.
So I ask again, what have Amare and Nash ever done?
Don't leave the bench. Not that it matters, since your team will never sniff a Finals or beat a championship-caliber team:
haha, your always good for a laugh findog. that's a cute pic of you and your dude, you two look very happy together. even if the suns never make it to the finals again, i can take comfort in the fact that they never put their own hands around thier own necks and.....
THE END mother er.
Indeed. Suns are noncontenders. Dallas > Phoenix. The End.
dirk has had more talent on his teams, of course hes got farther into the playoffs. vince dropped 50 in a playoff game too....so ?
you say he wasn't clutch against the sixers because he missed that one game winner, but ignore dirks bricked free throws in the clutch, and how about going 2-13 in game 6 against the warriors ? PATHETIC
VC is more clutch than that 7 foot vagina dirk......
Vince Carter is a ing loser. Dirk has gotten to the Finals out of the West, and he did it without another All-Star on his roster. I'm not ignoring anything about Dirk, he's come through for his team and he's also come up short. I didn't say he was the most clutch player in the League, that would be laughable, but he's infinitely more clutch and more of a winner than Vince Carter.
You can point to all the fancy dunks against Least teams in the regular season all you want, but this sums up Vince Carter. How you can claim he's clutch or a winner I don't know:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2004/...tip041219.html
Vince Carter tipped off a play to the Sonics bench during the final minute of the Raptors 101-94 loss to Seattle in Toronto.
With 29 seconds remaining in the game, the Raptors called a timeout. According to the Sonics, Carter returned from the huddle and lined up along the edge of the key. Before the play began, he said directly to the Seattle bench, "It's a flare. It's a flare."
The Raptors then ran a flare play.
Three members of the Sonics confirmed Carter tried to tip them off.
In the play, Raptors Matt Bonner sets a screen for Carter, who then runs toward the opposite corner. In this instance, Carter didn't handle the ball cleanly and passed the ball to Bonner, who hit a 22-foot shot from the top of the key.
Sonics forward Ray Allen was guarding Carter in the game.
"I didn't hear it, but that's what those other guys were saying (after the game) " Allen told the News Tribune. "But all I said was, 'Why would he do that?' I don't know why he would do that."
Sonics forward Reggie Evans was on the bench during the play.
"I'm not scared of Vince or nothing like that, but that is between him and his conscience," Evans said. "I'm not saying it did happen or it didn't happen."
I'll take Dirk over Vince Carter any day, whether it's based on talent, clutch factor, being a good teammate. Name the criterion and Dirk > Vince Carter. The only advantage Vince Carter has over Dirk is when it comes to And 1 moves.
IMO, dirk gets rattled far too easily, so hes not more clutch than a guy like VC or even Gilbert Arenas.
the ? VC doesn't get rattled easily?
They react in different ways when rattled. When Dirk is rattled, he shuts off and lays back and doesn't do . When Carter gets rattled, he takes the ball and never gives it up, takes wildass playground shots and shoots 4 for 25. Take your pick as to which is worse.
You're a ing re if you think that Dirk is MORE clutch than any of these people...
"Do you know anything about basketball?"
LMAO at Carter on that list
I didn't say Dirk is clutch, I just said he's more clutch than Carter, T-Mac and KG.
If you're too ing stupid to realize that, and given the source, you are, I'm sorry I can't help you with that.
Of course, I'm talking to the same guy that says Nick Van Exel = les, so no surprise. The Lakers, Nuggets, Mavs, Warriors, Blazers and Spurs would all beg to differ.
j/k
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HISTORY: "The Golden State Warriors have completed the most improbable upset in NBA history. The Mavericks and Dirk Nowitzki should be ashamed"
-Kenny Smith
Biggest upset in NBA history based on W-L records? Absolutely
Biggest upset in NBA history based on talent disparity? Not even close. Warriors were better than a typical 8 seed. You didn't prove Vince, T-Mac and KG are more clutch than Dirk, all you proved is that Dallas got upset. Dirk has a better clutch resume than those three guys. Get a clue.
But then again, what do I know? I'm arguing with a guy who says les follow Nick Van Exel wherever he goes. I wouldn't know if Mr. Sabotage His own Team or the second-round virgin are clutch deep into the playoffs because they could never get there.
I'm sorry, but this is a big time myth that us Mavericks fans have created in order to feel better about getting our asses kicked. Golden State was a typical 8-seed. There have been 8-seeds before that have gone on big late season runs to make the playoffs. It doesn't matter. They were the 8 seed, and nothing more. Utah, who up until the last month were a much weaker team than Dallas, disposed of them in 5 games, which is a pretty typical result for the average 8 seed.
If anything, Dallas was not a typical 1 seed.
The it's a myth. It's still an upset, not denying that. Are you saying Golden goes 42-40 if Richardson and Davis don't miss 50 games combined? If they have Jackson and Harrington for 82 games instead of 25? Please. It was an upset, but not a historically significant one. It will be remembered as such because of the W-L disparity, but when healthy and with that 12-man roster together, the Warriors were much better than a .500 team.
Four of the five games in the GS-Uta series went to the wire, the lone blowout win belonged to GS. It's not like the Jazz beat their brains out every single game. GS was a good team and a bad matchup. Utah had two of three things you need to beat a small-ball team: a big, physical PG that can create for himself and others (Williams), a low-post scorer that can punish GS for playing small (Boozer). We had neither, and with Damp out, we had nobody to protect the rim from dribble penetration. There are a number of reasons why we lost that series, but we didn't lose to a .500 team.
Davis always misses some time, Richardson had one of the worst seasons of his career, and regardless of how the games played out, the bottom line is that Utah beat them in 5.
Golden State was no better than the 42 win team they played out to be.
I'm sure there's plenty of Seattle fans who also talk about how Denver wasn't a typical 8 seed either, but we all know better.
if that makes you feel better then go for it. I highly doubt Golden State would have made it farther than 5 games in a series against any other team in the Western Conference except the Lakers.
Richardson was a beast after he came back from his injury. PER doesn't capture everything, but he had one of the top PERs in the League after his return from injury. And yes, Davis is injury-prone, but he was healthy during our series. You can't point to a 42-40 record as indicative of the team they put on the floor during our series. GS with a healthy Baron, J-Rich, Jax and Harrington > GS without those guys. It's that simple. They lost quite a few games during the regular season without the services of those four players. Those losses tell us nothing about the team that we faced in the playoffs.Davis always misses some time, Richardson had one of the worst seasons of his career,
They were close, compe ive games. That's all I'm saying.and regardless of how the games played out, the bottom line is that Utah beat them in 5.
Last edited by Findog; 08-13-2007 at 10:27 AM.
I didn't say it makes me feel better, I'm still disappointed we lost, and I realize how it will go down in history. I just happen to realize that GS was better than a typical 8 seed.
And they still lost in 5
And I happen to realize that calling GS better than a typical 8 seed is finding a way to justify the Mavericks failure.
I don't think it justifies anything. It was still an upset and it was still a failure. There's still room for improvement. But putting it on the level of US-Russia hockey, Den-Sea, whatever, is simply not accurate, despite what history will say. Calling the Warriors better than a typical 8 seed is just telling the truth.
The only reason it wouldn't be accurate is because Dallas wasn't as good as their record indicated. Golden State was a typical 8 seed, end of story. Utah proved it.
I'm going to name 10 players taller than Dirk:
1. Yao Ming
2. Zydrunas Ilgauskas
3. Shaquille O'Neal
4. Dikembe Mutombo
5. Jerome James
6. Jake Tsakalidas
7. Joel Pryzbilla
8. Tyson Chandler
9. Darko Milicic
10. Martynus Andriuskevicius
Going round in circles, we'll just have to agree to disagree. The Warriors lost Davis and Richardson to 50 games due to injury, they had Jackson and Harrington only after February. I think the 42-40 record and 8 seed would've been much improved if they had those four players available for full seasons. Only Davis is injury-prone of those three and he averages about 60 games played per year. If you think Golden State wouldn't improve on their record without Richardson, Jackson and Harrington available all year, then I don't know what to say.
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