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And OJ was found not guilty of murder. Ray Lewis was lookout while his buddies murdered a guy.
The Ray Lewis thing is a red herring to me in this argument. Lewis pled to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice, not murder -- the government never did prove a murder case against him. Lewis was allowed to plead to the obstruction charge likely because there was no evidence of his involvement in the homicide.
In any event, from the NFL's standpoint, because Lewis was arrested after the Super Bowl in January 2000 and tried before the 2000 NFL season started (and before camps opened), there was no reason for discipline from the league unless the league decided to punish all players convicted of misdemeanor charges. Even Goodell hasn't gone that far.
The Leonard Little situation is a bit more apt, but I think only if you're going to argue that the justice system sometimes places too little value on human life. Little served only 90 days of jail time and 4 years probation for involuntary manslaughter that was subsequently expunged from his record. There is a fundamental difference between a conviction for an act deemed to have been involuntary and a conviction for intentional felonious conduct; that dividing line provides the justification for the difference between the penalty that Little received from the NFL and the penalty that Vick is likely going to receive.
And OJ was found not guilty of murder. Ray Lewis was lookout while his buddies murdered a guy.
Interestingly, Lewis' buddies weren't convicted of murder, either. So, you want Lewis to pay a heavier penalty than Vick will undoubtedly face because he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge involving his knowledge of a crime that you think his buddies committed?
Yeah, I do, he's a s bag. Prosecutors will often go for the lesser charge that is a slam dunk than go through the expense and uncertainty of a trial for a bigger charge. By the standards of the legal system, OJ is an innocent man, and Ray Lewis is only guilty of a misdemeanor.
I'm not defending Vick or his reprehensible actions, but there's something wrong when Leonard Little and Ray Lewis can take the field after being responsible for the death of another human being. I suppose Vick's biggest mistake was killing animals instead of people.
I am sure there is some sort of clause in the CBA to prevent Goodell from retroactively punishing Lewis or Little, but it sure does make the sanctimonious moralizing over Vick all the more nauseating.
it's a ing shame that people have grown this desensitized to human suffering. I guarantee you that the public outcry would be about 10x less if Vick had raped somebody.
edit: evidently someone already made this comment http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75307 no shock that the guy who said the truth here caught a bunch of for saying it.
The other thing to take into account is that PETA raised holy over it and have the proven ability to turn this into a media spectacle. They're just pimping Vick's celebrity. Where were they when Qyntel Woods ("Who?" says the average American) did the exact same goddamned thing?
In a way I feel sorry for Vick. It probably never crossed his mind that this was illegal, or even wrong. Take a not too bright guy, have him win the genetic lottery at birth, but make sure he doesn't get an education. Then, from the age of 12 years old onward, nobody, not his parents, teachers, coaches, administrators, members of his entourage living off his largesse, nobody, ever tells him no. The whole thing is disgusting, not just what Vick did.
10x less? Based on what?
Given that a bunch of Lacross players being accused of rape generated significantly more media buzz and public outcry than Quyntel Woods' dogfighting, I don't know that this is an accurate statement.
Another thing to remember about a rape case is that a large percentage of the time - rape is a he said/she said ordeal. And in the case of a guy like Kobe, the 'she said' had numerous holes almost from the get-go.
That said, I feel comfortable saying that murderers, rapists, AND dogfighters all represent the absolute s of the earth. I see no need to rank any worse than the other.
Well, not to go to much PETA myself. But if their squeals and cries of pain didn't hint to him that something might be wrong about dogfighting and killing dogs with your own bare hands - then the man was born without a heart.
The only reason that the Lacrosse case generated so much heat and buzz is because all sorts of liberals and feminist groups immediately latched onto it because the accuser was poor and black and the alleged perps were wealthy and white. It was tailor made to fit their preconceived notions of gender/class/race relations. And when it became obvious that the accuser was full of and the DA was pushing this case because it was an election year and played well in his district, it generated controversy and sold papers for another reason.
There's ALWAYS other factors that affect the level of a story and public outcry.
For example, you're using this as evidence that people care more about dogfighting than manslaughter.
But a big reason that this story has so much buzz and outcry is that it is proportion to Vick's level of celebrity. He's arguably the most famous player in the league.
Even a large percentage of people who follow the NFL couldn't even tell you what position Leonard Little plays. And past that, there's probably a large percentage of Rams fans who couldn't pick his face out of a lineup (no pun intended).
It must be so hard being a white male in this country.The only reason that the Lacrosse case generated so much heat and buzz is because all sorts of liberals and feminist groups immediately latched onto it because the accuser was poor and black and the alleged perps were wealthy and white. It was tailor made to fit their preconceived notions of gender/class/race relations. And when it became obvious that the accuser was full of and the DA was pushing this case because it was an election year and played well in his district, it generated controversy and sold papers for another reason.
Tons of whites were found not guilty for the lynching of blacks despite the mountain of evidence. Get over it!!!And OJ was found not guilty of murder. Ray Lewis was lookout while his buddies murdered a guy.
Settle down. Even though I disagree with his point - he's using those as comparisons for the public tolerance of such actions vs. the public's tolerance of dogfighting. It was not a post claiming that people got off because they were african-american.
cut that meat! cut that meat!
the Lacrosse incident was a racial issue - this isn't.
If Peyton Manning gets caught in a dogfighting ring, the same happens to him that's happening to Vick right now. People are calling him the s of the earth and biggest monster alive while preparing to pay money to watch Ray Lewis be a hero on the field.
And if Peyton Manning raped a girl, the public outcry would be far weaker than if he was caught dogfighting.......unless of course he raped a poor black stripper.
although I will concede that if Vick raped a pretty white girl the outcry would be 1000000000000x worse than dogfighting and 1000000000000000000000000000000000x worse than if he raped a black girl (which would barely be a blip on the radar).
We are a long way away before that ever happens.Settle down. Even though I disagree with his point - he's using those as comparisons for the public tolerance of such actions vs. the public's tolerance of dogfighting. It was not a post claiming that people got off because they were african-american.
Youre priceless.
Somebody already beat me to it:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...9&postcount=38
It's always hard to be falsely accused of something and have your named dragged through the mud by the media, whether you're white, black, rich, poor, male, female, whatever.
^^^Agreed!!!
It is hard to be just about anyone in this country if you are:
a) doing stupid with stupid people
b) or in the wrong place at the wrong time(it happens)
You have trouble because you're stupid. It's got nothing to do with what color you might be.
so much for vick clearing his "good" name. A-S-S-H-O-L-E
People can multi-task therefore being outraged at many things is feasible. There's plenty of outrage to go around with so much ed up out there, this being one of them.
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