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Dim Tuncan?
Hmm, I think you may be forgetting one.
Dim Tuncan?
the expectations towards Tony are far too high for next year... I'll be happy if he's an all star again... i foresee a great-amazing season (the last one) for manu...
I am a big TP fan... but TP for MVP candidate is a joke (unless he shows huge progress).
He is not the best player in the team (even if I still believe he deserved his Finals MVP award) how could he be a MVP candidate.
Why the last one? If he manage to stay healthy Manu still has a bunch of great seasons in his legs.
yeah but i think he'll have his best season ever next year and then slowly go downhill... can't tell you why, just a feeling
Top 3? No way. Top 15 maybe.
1. This kid, a starter ? No way !
2. I'd be happy if he ever reaches 15-16 pts 4-5 ass per game !
3. I like this kid but you have to choose J-Kidd !
4. TP will never be an allstar !
5. Frenchy can't get it to the rim but he can't shoot !
5. Tony is so unclutch ! Let him do his stuff the first 3 quarters and Manu save the day in the fourth !
6. Tony, possible MVP if Spurs in finals ? Nah !
7. TP, 2007-2008 MVP ? What a joke !
Last edited by JPB; 08-27-2007 at 08:56 AM.
It's amazing how some people here still can't see the curve.
The thread is about 2007-2008. Tony is not (yet?) on the MVP level.
As a PG he will need to improve is assist numbers to be considered as a legitimate MVP. In a Nash-Parker comparison for the MVP, Nash would receive most votes in a heartbeat. Moreover Pop is not the kind of coach to fight for a 60+ season. Once again the Spurs should not have the best record.
Finally everybody knows the Spurs have Duncan so Tony will never receive all the credits if the Spurs have a huge regular season.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could end once for all that assists number comparison thing?
In SA, Nash would not have more than 8 assists/game.
I agree with you (Nash numbers didn't looked that good in Dallas).
But we are talking about MVP candidates. To be a MVP you need flashy statistics (even if you can't spell defense). Tony didn't improve his assists numbers since he entered the league. I believe he improved much as a playmaker. But in a MVP discussion he will always be ranked behind Nash.
Nash was two time MVP because he is supposed to make his teammates better.
Unfortunately for Tony, the one Spurs who is supposed to make his teammates better is Duncan.
Duncan is the better player, no debate.
But it's about regular season, and there are so many other factors in the mix than pure greatness.
As long as the voters think they should consider at least one player per top teams, TP could come out (and I think they are tired to vote for the unmarketable, non media friendly Duncan).
Most, it could happen simply because he wants it to.
Corrected.
Actually I used the word "joke" because I already see a Tony bashing thread coming. The thread looked like a call to all Tony bashers on this forum.
I stop the debate here.
(I don't really care who is the MVP)
You're talking about last year TP.
Something happened in him during and after the last finals. You can see it, even it's with french NT.
So were saying people for the finals MVP's le...Finally everybody knows the Spurs have Duncan so Tony will never receive all the credits if the Spurs have a huge regular season
tony was great during the NBA Finals but he played a one leg Hugues and a not so experienced Gibson...
I foresee a lot of frustration-anger among those who think that he can be a MVP candidate in 08... don't get me wrong, i'm sure he'll improve his jump shot and (if he stays healthy), he'll be up there with the greatest........ in 2009, 2010??
this thread is all about premature ejaculation
Tony is all about prematurity.
Parker is going to have to up his scoring well beyond 20 ppg AND increase his assists to somewhere in the 10 apg range to have any chance at winning MVP. There's a huge, HUGE difference between being an All-Star and being a league MVP. To get into the latter group, you either have to have dominant statistics and/or be the catalyst in a team having an unexpected renaissance.
Parker seemingly won't get the benefit of his team having a surprisingly successful regular season, since the Spurs will surprise people only if they don't come close to winning 60 games. Think about this: in Parker's best statistical season, 2005-06, he finished 9th in the voting, and was 535 voting points short (of 1250 total points available) from being in the top 3. In 2006-07, which some might say was his best all-around season to date, Parker finished 15th in the MVP voting, but was 520 voting points short (of 1290 total points available) of being in the top 3. In those seasons, he was that short of being in the top 3 while averaging 18+ ppg and nearly 6 apg. In 2006-07, there were only 4 players who made the top 18 in MVP voting while averaging less than 20 ppg (Nash, Shaq, Billups, Parker). Of those guys, Nash averaged 11+ apg, Shaq has a long history and his team's record improved significantly when he returned, and Billups averaged almost 1.5 more assist per game than Parker did -- at that, Billups received exactly 3 more voting points than Parker did. Meanwhile, players like Anthony and Wade were stuck at the bottom of the MVP voting for having their seasons interrupted by suspensions and injuries.
To take the step into being a legitimate MVP candidate and not a well-meaning afterthought of some voters who are looking to give interesting votes, he'll have to increase his numbers substantially. I still think that the better goal for 2007-08 is to make an All-NBA team; that will be tough enough, since Parker has never been deemed to be among the best 6 guards in the league.
The only other possibility for Parker to get himself truly into the MVP conversation, I think, is for him to lead the Spurs to a gaudy record with Duncan missing a significant part of the season. I'm a big Parker fan, but I'd prefer that he not have a chance to win an MVP award on that basis.
Stupid thread....Parker is turnover prone and doesn't even get the ball with the game on the line (that would be Duncan OR Ginobili).
Nash-3.8 turnovers a game
Parker-2.48
Duncan 2.80
Kobe 3.3
Lebron 3.2
Arenas 3.2
Kidd 2.7
Nash-3.8 turnovers a game
Parker-2.48
He will
Even stockton in his prime playing 48mpg could not do that in SA, we know it, voters should know it to
There's a huge difference between being a 19yo unknown european pg and a final's MVP
Or being considered the most valuable regular season player of the best team while TD is coasting a little bit
Absolutely, then best scorer in 2009 and MVP in 2010. It's all in the plan.
And no, I'm no Parker's church devot. I don't really like his personality and I think he's been very lucky to play for the best pro sports franchise with the best player in the game and a great coach.
But he has 'it'. The thing Presti saw first. The thing we all saw in his eyes after that 3pt shot in the third quarter of final's game 4.
i really hope this thread would be bumped!
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