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I'm somewhat relieved that someone else paid as little attention to this soap opera as I did.
Doh.
I'm somewhat relieved that someone else paid as little attention to this soap opera as I did.
Lisa Simpson?
It's true that the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill" and "Let he who is without sin...", but Jesus himself said, "What a man sows, so shall he reap." Which, of course, means that Mr. Peterson should be drowned. Or at least, killed and then abandoned at sea.
The actual translation from Hebrew is "Thou shalt not murder."
And, there are a whole host of scriptures that allude to obeying proper authority and abiding by governmental edicts, such as the death penalty, and such...
Yonivore, donnnttt be using facts to back up your belief.
You know that will get you ridicule and name called.
Scott Peterson was found guilty of first-degree murder in the death of his wife, Laci. What other sentence could we have expected? If the jury which found him guilty did so without a doubt, then doesn't it follow that the verdict of death be the sentence?
Wouldn't one think that this is a no-brainer?
Oh! And just as an aside, when we're talking about "let those who are without sin cast the first stone," who among you will admit to killing your wife and soon-to-be-born son?
That would indeed put us on an even keel. Jesus was talking about adultery; he was not talking about killing one's wife and son (yes, I say son because if Connor had been born on the day he died, he would have most certainly lived).
Question: Would Jesus advocate the death penalty?
"Obeying" the law of the land doesn't prevent legally and democratically updating the law with changing times and morality.And, there are a whole host of scriptures that allude to obeying proper authority and abiding by governmental edicts, such as the death penalty, and such...
By your logic, Roe vs. Wade cannot and should never be reversed.
Wasn't the death penalty common practice (and applied for far less serious crimes) back in those days?
Lots of things happened in those days that he didn't advocate.
So I ask again, would Jesus advocate the death penalty?
Does Jesus advocate internet message boards?
You ask again??? I've heard of "becoming as one"...but I never considered taking it literally...
As to the question...one could make the argument either way. And since I certainly don't claim to know the mind of God, I'm not going to try to answer that question.
I don't think I would term it as advocacy, but seeing as how he subjected himself to it and didn't protest, my first impression is that he wasn't against it. I don't know the mind of God but we are given specific examples of things that he was against and I don't recall the death penalty being one of those things, but I guess I'm the wrong person to ask..
I won't lie, I struggle with things like this. On one hand, I don't have a problem with applying the death penalty to s like this, on the other, I struggle with the notion of passing judgement and vengeance belonging to the Lord. I think that has more to do with my ignorance on the subject. I'm relatively new in my walk and I just chalk it up to my need to get to know the word of God better.
Answer: Romans 13:1-7 states: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has ins uted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."
That passage makes it abundantly clear, to me anyway; We are to obey the government God places over us. God created government to establish order and promote justice (Gen 9:6; 1Cor 14:33; Rom 12:8). We are to obey the government in everything - paying taxes, obey rules and laws, respecting judicial verdicts, etc. If we do not, we are ultimately showing disrespect towards God, for He is the One who placed that government over us. When the Apostle Paul wrote Romans 13:1-7, he was under the government of Rome, during the reign of Nero, perhaps that most evil of all the Roman Emperors. Paul still recognized that governments rule over him.
I'd say Jesus would say, "uphold the rule of law." Certainly, his apostle Paul felt that way.
Matthew 5:17: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Imagine if 5000 years from now people tried to live their lives by what was on television now a days.
Even during his own crucifixion, Jesus never said anything about the penalty itself. And, considering he had two thieves hanging on either side of him, for whom he did not raise any opposition over their execution, I'd have to say, he was ambivalent over the practice.
Well, Spurm, the question was "What Would Jesus Do?" A somewhat different question than you appear to be posing; "Should we be executing people if, as a society, we get wobbly-kneed?"
Wasn't the great flood exactly that....God/Jesus advocating (and enforcing) the death penalty? So, yes. He would.
No, the conversation was about what the Bible says in regards to Capital Punishment when you made this statement:
Even after the WWJD question was raised, your passage from Scripture does not address whether or not Jesus would advocate the Death penalty... just that He would accept it as the Law of the Land. I don't know of anything in the Gospels that suggests that Christ condoned Capital Punishment. The only evidence we have of Christ at any sort of execution is the passage already alluded to by Joe.And, there are a whole host of scriptures that allude to obeying proper authority and abiding by governmental edicts, such as the death penalty, and such...
At the risk of oversimplifying, God can carry out the death penalty because He is God. If you're a Christian, you accept that God can do anything He sees fit, and you trust that it will be for the greater good of the world. Most Christians do not believe that humans should create life (because that is God's jurisdiction), why shouldn't this also apply to ending life?Wasn't the great flood exactly that....God/Jesus advocating (and enforcing) the death penalty? So, yes. He would.
I'll say this and leave it at this.
The way many Christians in here can actually think that Jesus would advocate the death penalty is baffling. I don't subcribe to christianity very much, but after years and years of catholic school I can't help but subscribe to Jesus' philosophy.
Why? Because Jesus was the origional and ultimate hippie minus the tie dye shirt and hemp jewelry.
Now admittidly I'm not a theologian, but I don't think for a second Christ would ever advocate the death penalty.
If that is indeed the case Spurm, what would you have us do?
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