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I think thats a glaring ommision as well, Yao is severely underated in this league, he has become the most dominate center in the game by far
Kobe Bryant is the best basketball player in the world.
He doesn't win MOSTLY because of the cast around him. Not because he isn't humble or he doesn't have a strength of character. Was Michael Jordan humble? Did he have great character?
Just like any great superstar, if they are surrounded by complimentary talent and have good coaching, they will have success. There's no denying that Tim Duncan is one of the greatest players ever to play the game. He's a great winner and a leader on the court. And, he very much seems like a great guy.
Give Kobe the right pieces around him, and he would change the way he plays. You can even see it on Team USA when in several of the earlier games, he was fine with Carmelo and LeBron getting much of the scoring opportunities while he dug in and played all out defense.
Kobe is the best basketball player in the league, on the planet. That alone justifies him as being one of the top cornerstone / franchise players in the league.
I'm not saying Duncan should not be ahead of him. I don't have a problem with that. I'm just saying there shouldn't be a problem if Kobe is considered number 1 either.
I think thats a glaring ommision as well, Yao is severely underated in this league, he has become the most dominate center in the game by far
Good post. Kobe is great, there's no denying that. IMO, the best player in the world is LeBron though.
The list is arbitrary really......it's based on age and potential.....
1. TD (Can't knock him, even though you put him with the likes of Smush, Walton, Odom and Brown...you can kiss the #1 rating goodbye)
2. Kobe
2b: Lebron (he's really impressed me during the USA games)
3. Wade
the rest....it doesn't matter. A team wins championships, role players to superstars....and the rest of the HO has to be aligned for a ring to be secured.
Oh and Tlong...The best player in the world should bring it on both sides of the court.
i agree good players like passing to other good players. good players dont like passing to scrubs like ronnie turiaf etc...
The best player in the world should also be able to nut up and lead his team no matter what. The best player in the world shouldn't tank in a game 7 just to prove a point.
Kobe is the most talented player in the world. He is NOT the best.
1)I would put Kobe and Duncan as co-first place cornerstones. Both are great and help their teams considerably.
3)LeBron - Cavs are almost nothing without him
4)Carmelo - great cornerstone for any team
5)Dirk - I don't know how you cannot include this guy. He gets a bad rap because he is the Mav's best player, and there is almost no one else to score for him when other teams double and triple team him. When that happens Mavs usually lose. It happened with Golden State and Miami. Only other really tough guy on the team is Stackhouse and he doesn't always play
6)KG - They attempted to build a team around him in Minnesota and now they are doing the same thing in Boston. He may have the right players around him this time and will do the great work we all think he can.
7)Steve Nash - There are no two ways about the fact that the Suns got better when Nash arrived, so I am including him.
8)Arenas - He's a great player and fun to watch
9)Shaq and Wade - I include them together because they only play their best when they play together. Wade cannot win games when Shaq is not playing and vice versa. It takes them both together. Same thing was true when Shaq was in LA. Only it was Kobe then.
10)CP3 - He should be a good cornerstone for the Hornets in a year or two
Hmm, league cornerstones, let's see:
1. LBJ -the league needs hype, and he's the best provider, while also having the substance to boot
2. Duncan -league MDE on both side of the court at the moment
3. Kobe Bryant -most exciting player of the league today
4. Steve Nash -he makes Barbosa looks good, nuff said
5. Garnett -has the opportunity to proove and redeem himself this season
6. Billups -nuts of steel, should bounce back this coming season
7. Nowitzki -should play with a skirts, but still one the hardest matchup in the game -Spurs fans should know better
8. Yao Ming -the calm giant is coming into his own
9. Wade -if championship Wade shows up this coming season, watch out !
10. Deron Williams -i'll take him over CP3 any day of the week
Duncan is the best big in the game. Kobe is the best wing/guard. The problem with their cornerstone series is that they couldn't even keep the criteria straight, or just what kind of list they were compiling. I'd rather have a 23-yr-old LeBron than a 31-yr-old Tim Duncan if I put on my GM cap. But I'm putting together a team for the upcoming 07-08 season, Duncan is the #1 guy without question. The whole list is stupid, which isn't surprising anytime you get Shoals involved. God that guy sucks.
Why the 's Nash on the list? He's gotta be the most ing overrated player in the NBA. He tainted the MVP award when he undeservedly stole Shaq and Kobe's MVPs, never won a conference le, can't play defense at all,etc. If you replaced Stevie boy with Jason Kidd/Deron William/Chris Paul the S0ns would become a much better team.
Dirk should be on the list ahead of the likes of Nash and Arenas.
Nash is the best PG in the league and it's not even close. He would have a championship ring as well if the refs/league didn't screw over Phoenix in the playoffs last year.
Jason Kidd is better than Nash, even to this day. You have to play on both ends of the court. The only thing Nash has over him is outside shooting.
That's ridiculous. Nash is much better than Kidd. He shoots much better and he see the court better.
He is a better outside shooter, like I said in my previous post, but Kidd has him beat by miles on defense (that's half the game), and no, they are even when it comes to court vision.
You must be one of those idiot casual fans that believes everything ESPN and the announcers tell them. Nash is the same above-average point guard he was 3 years ago. The only thing that's changed is the system. Kidd is a lot more versatile(he doesn't need a gimmick offense to be effective like Nash), better defender, rebounder, has just as good court vision. Besides shooting he can do everything better than Nash. It's ridiculous to see idiots like you place Nash on a pedestal when he's only been playing great basketball for the last 3 years. Give Jason Kidd the same teammates and he'll do a of a lot more than Nash.
Phoenix screwed Phoenix last year.
Kidd is up there but I would still take Nash over him. Nash made his team a le contender in a tougher conference while Kidd's team isnt even elite in the ty East. Nash may be a ty defender, but his overall leadership is better than Kidds.
If I wanted to make the ultimate point guard in today's NBA, I'd take Nash's perimeter shooting combined with everything else Jason Kidd's.
Exactly. The only thing Nash does better than Kidd is shooting and flopping. Besides that, Kidd has him beat in every other area.
too bad if you weren't such a piece of homer you might garner some merit.
Nash is a better outside shooter, they are even in court vision, ballhandling, passing, scoring around the basket, but Kidd is a much better defender. Kidd > Nash, only a Suns homer would insist otherwise.
seeing that jason kidd's shooting is just about as bad as steve's defense, i'd say they are more equal than anything else.
jason kidd's shooting isn't even that terrible.
nash's defense is more akin to shaq trying to be a perimeter player and jacking up 3-pointers.
Jason Kidd is an elite player despite having an inconsistent outside shot. Defense is more important than outside shooting. He can still have a huge impact on a game without scoring a lot of points or hitting a bunch of jumpers. Against elite teams, Steve Nash gives up as much as he gets against the likes of Tony Parker, etc.
The Spurs homers are out in force in this thread! Nash is so much better than Kidd it's ridiculous. Kidd can't shoot! Has anybody looked at the Suns record when Nash isn't playing? Didn't think so...
I love Nash, he's one of my all-time favorite players, I mourned when he left Dallas. I'm no Spurs homer. Put Kidd back on the Suns and they're just as good, in fact, they're probably better, since that gives them 3 good defenders in their starting lineup instead of a matador at the PG position. Think about it, they have Raja Bell and Shawn Marion in their starting five and they STILL suck on defense, and I'm not talking about points per game because of the increased # of possessions, their defensive effenciency sucks and they can't get stops in the halfcourt against elite teams like San Antonio and Dallas. D'Antoni doesn't make it a priority and his quarterback couldn't guard an empty gym. Doesn't much matter against Milwaukee or Charlotte, but Kidd's outside shooting isn't nearly as much of a liability as Nash's defense.
Mr. Two-Time-MVP left Dallas and they got better without him, you might as well rename the Ewing Theory the Nash Theory. People don't seem to understand that Phoenix and their collection of players is a better fit for his skillset than Dallas was. With us, he just played the two-man game with Dirk and set up a bunch of jump shooters for open looks from the perimeter. With Phoenix, they fastbreak much more and he's setting up Amare and Marion for easy dunks and layups, those guys run the floor much better than Finley and Dirk. He makes them better but they make him better too. He's pretty much the same player he was in Dallas, a bit better, but not much. Kidd took the New Jersey in' Nets to the Finals twice.
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