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    he's not an idiot, he's just an asshole and a coward, there's a difference. He acts this way here, but I'm sure in real life he's an insecure little prick
    you know i got nothing against the guy nor you but im sure youre probably just the same... an insecure little prick.

    i actually think whott had an interesting point of view in his last post but thats few and far between from what i see. i dont try calling him out though like most of the assholes around these parts.

    edit: his post before his last.

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    Fact: you don;t know anything about Argentina saying "pendejo" that is insulting for mexicans
    Just because you are too stupid to be insulted doesn't mean I wasn't insulting you...trust me, I was insulting you.


    Fact: The US would have another gold medal and another world championship if it wasn't for Scola and all your hated Argies

    Fact...a team with Scola as it's best player has never won jack .

    Fact: a team on which Scola was the best player just got butt ed by 30 points in the Gold Medal Game and you guys act like you taught us a lesson.

    Fact: Everybody and their mother beat Team USA in 2004...

    Not just Argentina...slick. Everyone. Puerto Rico, Italy, Lithuania.


    Fact: Overrated?
    He's most definitely over-rated.


    Fact: Check your spelling or you might be taken as a foreign it's embarrassing how the argies on this forum write better english than you



    Once you get enough brain power to evolve past your tribe mentality you'll figure out that I don't have anything against Argentina or Argies...it's stupid people I hate. And I was defending Argie players on this board before you even knew what a ing basketball was...

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    I've thought Scola was an asshole since the night he was drafted and he said it'd have been better if he hadn't been drafted at all...
    Then it has to be true.

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    Then it has to be true.

    It was true...it was in every interview he gave.



    Scola thinks he should have been the first player in NBA history exempt from draft rules(and rookie pay scale).



    You guys take a big on Manu any time you mention he and Scola in the same breath...you just too stupid to realize it.



    Hey...I'm gonna go defend Michael Vick. He's American after all...that obviously means he s gold.


    And they say us Americans are too Nationalistic...

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    Then it has to be true.
    Haven't you heard? Whottt's word is rule here

    To be honest, I think this whole outburst by Whottt and a few others here come in response to a very clear overrated view of Scola. Its like somehow, he's become the next coming of Jesus... I don't really get how it got to that point, but I'm sure assholes like ArgSpursFan have contributed to the Argie homer image. In spite of this, Whottt has always had a problem expressing himself in a manner that insults ONLY the person he means to insult, and most often ends up insulting EVERY ING ONE! He does not realize this, so in reality, he's not as bad as some of his idiotic posts make him out to be.

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    you know i got nothing against the guy nor you but im sure youre probably just the same... an insecure little prick.

    i actually think whott had an interesting point of view in his last post but thats few and far between from what i see. i dont try calling him out though like most of the assholes around these parts.

    edit: his post before his last.
    He does make good points, hence why I said he is not an idiot. Its his manner of expressing himself. He tends to insult everyone but the pope, sort of speak, when he wants to get across the point that he is pissed. You've been here for what? 3 months? talk to me when you've been here long enough to know what I'm talking about.

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    It was true...it was in every interview he gave.



    Scola thinks he should have been the first player in NBA history exempt from draft rules(and rookie pay scale).



    You guys take a big on Manu any time you mention he and Scola in the same breath...you just too stupid to realize it.



    Hey...I'm gonna go defend Michael Vick. He's American after all...that obviously means he s gold.


    And they say us Americans are too Nationalistic...
    You're basing your opinion of the guy on a few articles which could very well have been missquoted, and you think Ariel and Smeagol are being irrational? What Ariel said is all true, everyone that has worked with the guy loves him, wouldn't you say that's a more accurate depiction of his character?

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    He does make good points, hence why I said he is not an idiot. Its his manner of expressing himself. He tends to insult everyone but the pope, sort of speak, when he wants to get across the point that he is pissed. You've been here for what? 3 months? talk to me when you've been here long enough to know what I'm talking about.
    3 months hahaha. you got me crackin up bro.

    ive been here much longer then 3 months though i used to use a different name and actually got banned for some time. i guess i probably express myself here like your boy whott and that lead me to be banned.

    anyhow talk to me when you dont have that huge stick up your ass and when youve been here long enough to know what im talking about.

    btw: if you took elementary math you would had counted 6 months(almost) since i joined with this account.

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    I just don't like Scola...I wouldn't like him if he was American. I haven't liked him since he said that on draft night...and he didn't say that in a San Antonio Express News article...he said in a European interview that was translated by an Argie...

    Keep in mind this was 2002.


    If you can honestly say you were following basketball back then...then you just weren't following it close enough.

    I was on Spurs boards just like I am now, following every guy the Spurs draft.





    I don't particularly care if you guys like every player on your national team...but you have a guy here that hasn't proven ...vs an organization that has proved quite a bit...and they don't seem to have any problems with Manu and Oberto...who both took less to play here.


    Manu was 10 times more accomplished than Scola when he got here, he'd actually won something, and his worth to the Argentine National Team was unquestionable...just like it is now.

    You Argentine National Team doesn't do without Manu on it.

    Teams which have Manu as their best player are proven winners...team with Scola as their best player are proven losers.

    Fact.

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    3 months hahaha. you got me crackin up bro.

    ive been here much longer then 3 months though i used to use a different name and actually got banned for some time.

    anyhow talk to me when you dont have that huge stick up your ass and when youve been here long enough to know what im talking about.
    my bad then. So if you've been here long enough, you should understand what I'm saying. By the way, just curious, what name were you using before this?

    i guess i probably express myself here like your boy whott and that lead me to be banned.
    Wrong, Whottt may insult a few people but he brings good takes most of the time. It takes some serious to get you banned here, and Whottt has never crossed that line... I don't think.

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    He named his son Tiago because while he was in utero, Scola couldn't score.

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    my bad then. So if you've been here long enough, you should understand what I'm saying. By the way, just curious, what name were you using before this?


    Wrong, Whottt may insult a few people but he brings good takes most of the time. It takes some serious to get you banned here, and Whottt has never crossed that line... I don't think.
    haha i called dirk a ****.... you figure it out cause i dont wanna get on koris bad side again. i truly enjoyed that last get together i attended and look forward to some more this season so i gotta keep my mouth shut.

    my handle back then was well... irrelevant.

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    I just don't like Scola...I wouldn't like him if he was American. I haven't liked him since he said that on draft night...and he didn't say that in a San Antonio Express News article...he said in a European interview that was translated by an Argie...

    Keep in mind this was 2002.


    If you can honestly say you were following basketball back then...then you just weren't following it close enough.

    I was on Spurs boards just like I am now, following every guy the Spurs draft.





    I don't particularly care if you guys like every player on your national team...but you have a guy here that hasn't proven ...vs an organization that has proved quite a bit...and they don't seem to have any problems with Manu and Oberto...who both took less to play here.


    Manu was 10 times more accomplished than Scola when he got here, he'd actually won something, and his worth to the Argentine National Team was unquestionable...just like it is now.

    You Argentine National Team doesn't do without Manu on it.

    Teams which have Manu as their best player are proven winners...team with Scola as their best player are proven losers.

    Fact.
    I don't think anyone here is saying Scola is better than Manu bro.

    I can honestly tell you I was following basketball back then, but its true I haven't heard anything about that article. Whatever the case is, you're making up your mind about a guy based on a few articles, when everyone that has played with him and known him say he's completely different from what you think he is. My point is, it seems that the more reliable sources are telling you he's is NOT what you think he is.

    I don't think every Argie player is the , have never said so. I also don't make up my mind about a guy's character from little quotes from a few articles. By the way, @ you comparing Scola to Mickael Vick... how's your arm after that stretch bro?

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    And futhermore...

    I still stand by the statement that Scola is not going to be near as effective as an NBA player as he has been in International play and Europe.


    Did you guys even watch why Duncan sucked in the 04 Olympics? It wasn't his offense...it was his defense. He was trying to play the same defense he plays in the NBA in the Olympics and they wouldn't allow him to play that way...which is fine, they have their rules and it was Duncan's job to adjust to them...but that isn't going to happen in the NBA.


    NBA Defense is 10 times more physical than that of International and European play...

    And I hate to tell you guys this, but Scola is small and slow compared to the denders he is going to have in the NBA..

    Scola has one skill, and that's finishing around the basket...he's got some nice moves...that's the only thing he does well...and the rules for defending that style of play are the biggest difference between the NBA and Europe...and FIBA.


    On top of that...he plays no D, an absolute essential to winning a championship, and if the guy getting the ball doesn't play D? No one else does either.


    He's going to be a role player...only his skill isn't suited to role playing, it's suited to Superstar play, only he doesn't have the tools to be a Superstar in the NBA and justify that status.


    Scola is not going to shoot 50% this year...he's not going to defend well and he's going to be largely frustrated by the NBA in general and the rule changes...he will most likely end up hating the NBA game and considering it an inferior style of play. He might end up staying here for the money...but he will never again have anything remotely close to the success and status he enjoyed in Europe and FIBA play.


    Unlike Manu...


    And yes, that's exactly what you guys are doing...giving him credit for Manu's success...

    Becuase Manu was good and translated(and it was totally obvious that Manu had the necessary speed to translate to the NBA to most people who saw him play).

    I never had one doubt that Manu was going to translate and be a showman...I've never thought Scola was going to be able to do it for one second.


    Scola might average 15 points, he might have a big game every once in a while..he might even make a playoff run....but with the PF in the NBA, arguably the dominant position in the NBA...Scola is going to be a lot of guys ...he'll be a firery ...but he's still going to be a .
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    And futhermore...

    I still stand by the statement that Scola is not going to be near as effective as an NBA player as he has been in International play and Europe.


    Did you guys even watch why Duncan sucked in the 04 Olympics? It wasn't his offense...it was his defense. He was trying to play the same defense he plays in the NBA in the Olympics and they wouldn't allow him to play that way...which is fine, they have their rules and it was Duncan's job to adjust to them...but that isn't going to happen in the NBA.


    NBA Defense is 10 times more physical than that of International and European play...

    And I hate to tell you guys this, but Scola is small and slow compared to the denders he is going to have in the NBA..

    Scola has one skill, and that's finishing around the basket...he's got some nice moves...that's the only thing he does well...and the rules for defending that style of play are the biggest difference between the NBA and Europe...and FIBA.


    On top of that...he plays no D, an absolute essential to winning a championship, and if the guy getting the ball doesn't play D? No one else does either.
    you have a very good point, and it very well could turn out that way. I think most Argies here know the difficulty of Scola's transition to the NBA. Argies here are just hopefull he'll turn out to be a productive NBA player. At least the Argies that have been here for a while. I just wish you'd tone it down with the " ing Argie homers" crap. Focus on the dude you're trying to insult, not on his nationality bro. Not all of us think alike

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    Scola is not going to shoot 50% this year...he's not going to defend well and he's going to be largely frustrated by the NBA in general and the rule changes...he will most likely end up hating the NBA game and considering it an inferior style of play. He might end up staying here for the money...but he will never again have anything remotely close to the success and status he enjoyed in Europe and FIBA play.
    wow, clairvoyant are we? what? did you get a hold of a lock of his hair or something?

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    I just know...


    Look, he can come over here and completely suck and he's still going to be popular with a certain segment of fans because he's firey...but I don't care about popularity...and I don't care about above average scoring/below average everthing else undersized and slow non D playing PFs.





    I gurantee you I've put more thought into this than anyone I am arguing with, about how he will translate....I've thought this over extensively for the better of 5 years now. This isn't just some opinion I pulled out of my azz to abey offseason boredom...

    In 5 years I haven't seen one thing to make me change the opinion I had on Scola the first time I saw him play. The same time I saw Oberto and Manu play and concluded they could be better NBA players.

    And Scola gets compared to Oberto quite a bit, but other than size and speed, Oberto is much tougher , and he's a much smarter player as well IMO.

    Oberto is clearly the better all around player...


    Scola isn't just going to be able to roar and score like he does in Europe...he's going to get his ass kicked trying that in the NBA. That's only going to fire his defenders up more...

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    Fact: Check your spelling or you might be taken as a foreign it's embarrassing how the argies on this forum write better english than you

    thank you man, thank you, I'll send your post to my english teacher

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    He named his son Tiago because while he was in utero, Scola couldn't score.

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    You mean like Delfino right?


    He was never an asswipe until the NBA came calling.
    Really? your foresight is astounding. This is, for instance, one of my posts at another Spurs board (I don't want to post the link just in case this would put me into trouble here, but I can provide it if necessary) in reference to Delfino's at ude:
    Delfino is an idiot. Pure and simple. The guy is plenty talented, but he just doesn't know when to shut his mouth, when to open it, and what to say when he does. It's not that he comes out saying terrible things or anything, in fact most of the time it's understandable, but you just can't be a grown up and say whatever comes to your head without thinking of the consequences.
    Carlos, instead of realizing the phenomenal opportunity ahead of him, keeps yapping and yapping... and I fear he'll eventually wear Dumars out, and get traded for nothing to some lowly team where he'll spend the remainder of his contract buried on the bench. It'd be a shame, because the kid has a lot of talent, and also the willingness to work to develop into a very solid player, but his verbal diarrhea stands in the way of his progress.

    All too freaking bad.
    So all you've done is positively demonstrate just how clueless your assumptions are.

    Fact: Scola's first words after being drafted in 2002. "It'd have been better if I hadn't been drafted at all".
    I've thought Scola was an asshole since the night he was drafted and he said it'd have been better if he hadn't been drafted at all...

    And it's a fact he said that, it was in the paper after he got drafted.


    That was a stupid thing to say to the media and even if he didn't intend it to come off as soundling like a self centered asshole.....you still have to question the fact that he was stupid enough to say it.

    He's the one that started this off on the wrong foot.
    You're deliberately misrepresenting the situation. What happened was that the buyout language in his contract required that Luis be first round selection. In that context, not getting drafted in the first round meant he'd have trouble getting out of his contract at that time, and getting drafted in the second round meant he'd get no guaranteed money, but he'd be tied to the wishes of one team. The bottom line is, his options severely shortened as a result of not getting drafted in the first round, and not going undrafted. It wasn't anything personal with the Spurs, it was just a frustrating situation overall. And those comments were made not by Luis, but I think by someone affiliated with his agent. So how does that translate into him being a self centered asshole, I don't quite know.
    Fact: RC asked him where his rebounding was in the Olympic Tournament and he got mad.
    First, it's a rumor, not a fact, and one which we don't know the context to. And if he for once had indeed felt frustrated at his negatives being singled out and not his positives, I don't see how that automatically means he's an asshole.
    Fact: Scola's words on National Television when asked about the possibility of playing with the Spurs. " I don't care about the Spurs, all I care about is my National Team and Tau.
    What interview are you talking about? In the interviews I watched, listened to, and read, never did he show anything but the utmost respect for the Spurs. What I have heard when asked on the subject on occasion, was him making clear his mind was for the moment set on his current duties and not on a future in the NBA. That's basic self preservation. Would you have him obsess over the Spurs instead on a much anticipated future that never materializes and invariably ends up in disappointment, over his obligations at the time towards the country (that many other countrymen of his shrugged off) and the organization where he forged his game for the last 10 years of his life? In fact, I'd be disappointed had he acted any different, because that could be interpreted as undermining those who made him what he is and those who actually put food on his table.

    Even Tiago Splitter, whose country's eternal rivalry with Argentina in sports has a long history, has nothing but praise for him:

    http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2007.../01486313.html
    "Aprendí mucho con ellos. Tienen una mentalidad ganadora, son muy aguerridos y personas espectaculares dentro y fuera de la cancha", dice Tiago.
    Luis es un jugadorazo, que demostró en Europa ser el mejor en su puesto. Debería haber estado mucho antes en la NBA.
    translation:
    "I learned a lot from them. They have a winning mindset, they're very resilient and they're great people on and off the court", said Tiago.
    "Luis is a great player, who has proven to be the best in his position in Europe. He should have gotten to the NBA a long time ago."

    So if you have evidence to the contrary, please post them here and I'll give it consideration. In the meantime, I'd rather go by the words of those who know him best. And no, for the record I do not put you on the same level those who have spent years and years side by side with him, like Manu, Oberto, Nocioni, or Splitter.
    You ing blind Argie homers.
    Huh? you accusing me of being a blind Homer is cause for laughter. You can't seem to let anything get in the way of your well do ented Scola hate. He could jump into a building on fire and save a baby and he'd still be the Antichrist in your eyes.
    I'm sick of bandwagon argies trying to rewrite history because it's essential to their self esteem that every Argentinian be viewed as some kind of Saint.

    Fact, there have been a bunch of asshole Argentines and Scola is another in that proud Tradition.

    I swear...if Galtieri could play basketball these bags would be trying to pass him off as Jesus.
    First, go disinfect your filthy loud mouth in bleach before you take your habitual nonsense up a notch by bringing up a member of a genocidal regime in association with any of us. Then, take a long, deep look in the mirror (yes, I realize it's probably a terrifying prospect, but still) before you start making such bold generalizations. Stupidity and homerism aren't foreign concepts to Argentina, but that doesn't en le you to project them into us all, much like I do not believe your arrogant and stupid ways reflect on your countrymen... no matter how hard you try to make it so.

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    Really? your foresight is astounding. This is, for instance, one of my posts at another Spurs board (I don't want to post the link just in case this would put me into trouble here, but I can provide it if necessary) in reference to Delfino's at ude:

    You can say SpursReport here....

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    So all you've done is positively demonstrate just how clueless your assumptions are.
    More like so far is all you've done is prove you buy into the retroactive spin 100%

    You're deliberately misrepresenting the situation. What happened was that the buyout language in his contract required that Luis be first round selection. In that context, not getting drafted in the first round meant he'd have trouble getting out of his contract at that time, and getting drafted in the second round meant he'd get no guaranteed money, but he'd be tied to the wishes of one team.

    SO yeah like I was saying...Scola was pissed the Spurs drafted him. No matter how you spin it.

    You know why he didn't get drafted in the first round?

    Because the details and language of his ed up contract situation scared teams off...

    Don't sit and here and site 2007 information as information that was readily available and understood back then.

    The ed up contract situation was why he dropped so low.


    And you know what? him...he's got to go into the draft by age 22 like every other NBA player does...tough ...he shouldn't have signed a bad contract...and the Spurs had every right to draft him as a player eligible to be drafted and his comments afterwards made him sound like a horses ass.


    It's like winning the one million dollar lottery instead of the five million dollar loterry and whining about your misfortune.







    The bottom line is, his options severely shortened as a result of not getting drafted in the first round, and not going undrafted.
    His fault...not Tau's. Not the Spurs. His fault.

    He should have said...I shouldn't have signed that stupid contract.



    It wasn't anything personal with the Spurs, it was just a frustrating situation overall. And those comments were made not by Luis, but I think by someone affiliated with his agent. So how does that translate into him being a self centered asshole, I don't quite know.

    It was personal with the Spurs, because if the Spurs hadn't drafted him, he likely would have gotten his wish.

    Unfortunatly for him...the Spurs can't afford to pass on talent and they have to do what's in their best interest.




    What interview are you talking about? In the interviews I watched, listened to, and read, never did he show anything but the utmost respect for the Spurs. What I have heard when asked on the subject on occasion, was him making clear his mind was for the moment set on his current duties and not on a future in the NBA. That's basic self preservation. Would you have him obsess over the Spurs instead on a much anticipated future that never materializes and invariably ends up in disappointment, over his obligations at the time towards the country (that many other countrymen of his shrugged off) and the organization where he forged his game for the last 10 years of his life? In fact, I'd be disappointed had he acted any different, because that could be interpreted as undermining those who made him what he is and those who actually put food on his table.
    It was on American TV...as was the part about RC asking him about the rebounding...on the TV, during the Olympic broadcast.


    Even Tiago Splitter, whose country's eternal rivalry with Argentina in sports has a long history, has nothing but praise for him:

    http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2007.../01486313.html
    "Aprendí mucho con ellos. Tienen una mentalidad ganadora, son muy aguerridos y personas espectaculares dentro y fuera de la cancha", dice Tiago.
    Luis es un jugadorazo, que demostró en Europa ser el mejor en su puesto. Debería haber estado mucho antes en la NBA.
    translation:
    "I learned a lot from them. They have a winning mindset, they're very resilient and they're great people on and off the court", said Tiago.
    "Luis is a great player, who has proven to be the best in his position in Europe. He should have gotten to the NBA a long time ago."
    So?

    Did Tiago Splitter draft him?


    I didn't say no one likes Scola...I said he's an asshole...there's a difference there.


    So if you have evidence to the contrary, please post them here and I'll give it consideration. In the meantime, I'd rather go by the words of those who know him best. And no, for the record I do not put you on the same level those who have spent years and years side by side with him, like Manu, Oberto, Nocioni, or Splitter.
    No...you'd rather go for the spin and his Miss Congeniality routine he's been putting out since being signed by the Rockets...as if the Spurs were the assholes.


    I gurantee you...the Rockets FO are 10 times the assholes the Spurs are. They are 10 times more ed up as well...




    First, go disinfect your filthy loud mouth in bleach before you take your habitual nonsense up a notch by bringing up a member of a genocidal regime in association with any of us.
    LOL

    Hey we all have our genocidal maniacs...some of us just more than others.

    Then, take a long, deep look in the mirror (yes, I realize it's probably a terrifying prospect, but still) before you start making such bold generalizations. Stupidity and homerism aren't foreign concepts to Argentina, but that doesn't en le you to project them into us all

    Who's projecting them onto all Argies...the Argies that stand out aren't getting the grief from me...just the newbies acting like they understand this situation when they weren't here 3 years ago...much less 5.



    , much like I do not believe your arrogant and stupid ways reflect on your countrymen... no matter how hard you try to make it so.

    LMAO and I'm sure they appreciate that.

    Meanwhile...when I start noticing differences between you and ArgSpursFan...I'll be sure to let you know.

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    you must love talking out of your ass



    SMH @ you acting like you know what happens behind the scenes

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    *mmmmmplghfff mmmmmmmpglllhfff*

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    It was true...it was in every interview he gave.



    Scola thinks he should have been the first player in NBA history exempt from draft rules(and rookie pay scale).

    You guys take a big on Manu any time you mention he and Scola in the same breath...you just too stupid to realize it.
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    Are you sick or something? What´s your problem?

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    Are you sick or something? What´s your problem?
    I am indeed...I am sick of the delusion that Scola is an All Star and the worst trade in Spurs history, and that it's somehow the Spurs fault that he signed a stupid contract.




    He's Gordan Giricek part 2.

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