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Oberto played very bad in regular season but the whole team weren't playing well
I think when the Spurs started to play better as a team Oberto also got better and he played great in the playoffs. He and TD play very well together on offensive
in spain oberto played as first option on 2nd tier teams. in the nba he plays as a role player on a contender. huge difference. everybody knows the spurs didnt sign him to be a NBA low post scorer. obviously oberto's stats are better with duncan on the floor, he takes pressure off of him. when duncan sits the offense goes through tp or manu, not oberto (or horry, elson, bonner, etc).
scola and oberto have similar offensive games? first time i heard that here. in fact i remember many people saying that is why oberto fits and scola doesnt. IMO oberto is a back to the basket player who has just now learned to make straight jumpshots. scola on the other hand is comfortable playing back to the basket and face up, is quick enough to drive with the ball (when is the last time you saw oberto dribble?), scola uses fakes, speed and footwork while oberto just has footwork and a little more size. i guess they are similar in that they both have good courtvision for passing (though oberto is the more willing passer). but i'm not seeing the similarity in their offensive playing style, nor in their phyiscal attributes. still, bottom line, scola has accomplished a lot more in europe in team success, individual awards and statlines than oberto (especially just taking into account offense and role on the team).
besides like i said, they are at different stages in their careers. scola is younger, going to a offensive-oriented team that wants to be a contender and has a huge hole at pf, while oberto went to the nba older and to a defensive minded team that was champion and has the best pf of all time. i dont see why scola's translation should be compared to oberto's, all they have in common is argentina and playing in spain. now, if scola went to the spurs, you could make some questions about the system, but since that isnt the case, we can only wait and see how the rockets try to use him and how he responds
Oberto played very bad in regular season but the whole team weren't playing well
I think when the Spurs started to play better as a team Oberto also got better and he played great in the playoffs. He and TD play very well together on offensive
Low post scoring and pick & roll are the two main weapons of Scola's offensive game. Oberto hasn't been able to translate his low post game in nba and if Scola can't too translate his low post game in nba, he will be a way less interesting player.scola and oberto have similar offensive games? first time i heard that here. in fact i remember many people saying that is why oberto fits and scola doesnt. IMO oberto is a back to the basket player who has just now learned to make straight jumpshots. scola on the other hand is comfortable playing back to the basket and face up, is quick enough to drive with the ball (when is the last time you saw oberto dribble?
once that i read you posting in a positive mood let's add some suggga'.. remember the 11-11 22 point night vs/ PHX?
on that i agree, but i dont think oberto's "failure" to translate his low post game is relevant to scola's situation. i dont remember ever seeing oberto posted up in the low block for the spurs (and i hope they never do having better scoring options!). Then again, i get to see about 20 games a season so i could be wrong
you canīt compare 35 yrs old Oberto with 27 yrs old Scola.
Scola will play in the NBA in his Prime,while Oberto got to the NBA a litle too late,but still good enough to play alongside Duncan.
I agree. I don't know the guys insist. Why do they have to compare them?. Different players, different roles.
Why in the Oberto's thread we talking about Scola?
Only, Oberto 32 years old. Scola 27.
I guess itīs just another pointless way to downplay both of them.
At the end of the day Argies keep winning NBA rings and qualifying to the Olympics with a B team.
Oberto struggles with faster players, but the matchups last year against Utah and Cleveland worked well for him because they are not very fast teams. If the Spurs had faced Dallas last year I'm not sure how he would have fit in.
I've watched Oberto on tape.In the World Championship 2002 Final, he looked awesome. 28 points 11 rebounds.Not only that.He took the yugos big men (Vlade Divac and Tomasevic) to school.I remember another one.Oberto had a pretty good game against Duncan in the Americas FIBA 2003.
It's a pity that he (Oberto in his youth) not came in to Spurs.
Having say that, I'll give props to present Oberto's play.Some say, "he's not athletic".Granted.Even so, I think Fab's a cerebral player, who still can get stops on defense and can score close on offense, when it really counts, in the last quarter.
Some also seem to be under the impresion that "he can't guard Dirk" or "he's slow". I think he played pretty well in the 2 (14p 4r) 3 (14p 6r) 4 (6p 6r) regular season games against Mavs (his stats by opponent vs Dallas 9p 6r 85 fg%), also he had not problems against fast team like Suns.
I don't see reason to be worried for Oberto's job in a playoff round against Mavs.
Sure, he's not he best without the ball, but he moves his feet well
Oberto struggles defending faster players, and I'm not sure how quoting his offensive stats against Dallas has anything to do with it. Why do you think the Spurs keep Elson around? It is true that Oberto played good defense at times against Amare in the playoffs, and I'm not saying that he isn't a valuable player. Their just are some matchups that are not good for him. Bringing in Splitter will help in those situations.
A lot of good points here.
I'm not sure if I have ever seen anyone move without the ball as well as Oberto did in Game 4 of the 2007 Finals. (I may have, but I can't recall it at the moment.)
If I am "reading between the lines" correctly, I have gathered a few observation from taped interviews with Oberto. Fabricio came to the Spurs for two reasons: 1) He wanted to play with Duncan, whom he considers the best player in the world; and 2) His friendship with Ginobili. At any rate, Oberto seems to realize that his effectiveness is somewhat dependent on Duncan.
As I have mentioned before, I got a little disgusted with some of the ST posters who were down on Oberto last season. Spurs' fans sometimes forget that many (perhaps even most) NBA centers really aren't that hot at basketball. (As someone mentioned earlier, many NBA big men are "braindead" as well, and they spend most of their time camped out in one or two spots.) It took Oberto about a season to mesh with the team and league, but the results were worth it.
Games 1 and 2 the Spurs were kicking that ass so bad he didnt even have to do a god damn thing. Plus Parker just exploded in that series. Game 3, that entire team played like absolute . In game 4 tho Oberto played great. Oberto really fits that system nicely. He proved himself numerous times in the playoffs and even during the season at times. He steps it up in big games but it isnt going to show in stats. He was a critcal part of the Spurs success and easily the best center they have had since Drob and that is saying alot. He does everything the team needs from him.
Well, it's important to have some variety; 2 different players, 2 different styles.
I think it's a good combo for Pop.
yes
lefty, Scola/Oberto= different players, different roles, not Splitter.
Splitter is not more different than Oberto. He's a younger Oberto but probably not as good passing like Oberto or his move without ball, and without Oberto IQ in pressure games.
I didn't mean to kill Splitter.No.I think he's a good prospect for us.
to Reggieyes, me again. I'm sleep-deprived.
Interesting point
Oberto is certainly one of the best in the league at moving without the ball. He has the knack for slipping away from his man and finding open space around the basket, and not many players are good at that.
Someone commented on "tipping" vs "rebounding" - Oberto is an average rebounder, but he is great at tipping out to the perimeter where the ball almost always lands in the hands of one of the guards. He did it particularly well all playoffs, at times giving us 3 possessions to score with his hustle alone.
Yes, he's done that a lot this season
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