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Except Rex Grossman during an actual game.
I agree with that. LT has open targets to throw to (and thus, is an effective QB) because he's such an effective runner. When you give him the ball near the goalline and force db's to sell out to stop the run, you create very easy passing opportunities for the guy. That his ability to throw is frequently used strikes me as a testament to good coaching rather than a ringing endorsement of his competency as a passer. Like most running back throws, LT's passes are single-route plays that don't require much in the way of reading coverage and finding open receivers -- he looks to see if his target is open and passes only if that guy is open. Being a QB requires a substantially different skill-set than just determining if the X, Y, or Z receiver is uncovered.
I'd take any NFL QB over Tomlinson in a passing skills compe ion.
Except Rex Grossman during an actual game.
What Federer is doing has never been done before. It's hard to compare because golf is a fickle sport. But look at the winning %'s, and it's Federer going away by a mile.
Actually he still trails Walter Payton for the most TD passes by a non-QB.
Federer's skill in Golf > Duncan's Skill in Basketball
People forget about Pete Sampras this soon? I have no problems saying Federer is the most dominant in sports today, in fact, I would vote for him and there aren't even any close seconds, but during his heyday, Sampras was just as impressive for as long a time.
Agassi was dominant for a very short period of time. Then there was Bjorg, McEnroe and Lendl, who were all dominant for an extended period of time in tennis. Of course, nobody can even touch Navratilova when it comes to dominance in tennis.
So, yah watch sports much eh?
Except for Rod Laver.
This is partially why I have to go with Tiger. In tennis it's common to have one dominant player that stays on top for a considerable amount of time. That just doesn't happen in golf. Tiger is a freak of nature.
Rannulph Junuh owned the game of golf before he went off to The War To End All Wars...
Yelena Isinbayeva
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelena_Isinbayeva
Yeah, but he was a scrub until Krishna (aka Krishna) helped him along.
True. But then going back to the Sanskrit original, Junuh was a prince on the battlefield. Obviously they changed the analogy to golf to make it seem harder!
Sampras was amazing, and certainly played with much tougher compe ion, but jesus christ, 12 grand slams in 4 years....I don't even know what to say about that.
Roger Federer has a chance at finishing with as many as 18 grand slams when all is said and done.
Aha! But Junuh was wracked by indecision and needed Will Smith to show him the true path!
I will agree with you, post-Krishna talking to, Junuh is the most-dominant golfer/holy warrior/prince of warfare of all time.
Federer is already the best tennisman in the history; and he still has 10 years left in his career; scary....
Federer over Tiger. Golf is not a sport. Neither is race car driving, or figure skating.
Michael Phelps:
- 8 olympics medals (6gold),
- 18 gold medal in world championships (+3 silver)
- Hold 6 world record (has set 23)
And he is only 22yo
Other names:
Kenenisa Bekele (broke the Gebreselassie domination)
Rafael Nadal on clay (81 games winning streak)
Jeremy Wariner (still behind Michael Johnson)
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I was just going to also mention Phelps.
in a discussion between Tiger and Federer, he has also to be the mentioned.
we are taliking about "most dominant athlete today"
2007 swimming world championships: 7 gold medals (5 single, 2 relay) 5 of thoses wins with a new world record.
this was likely the most dominant performance in a swimming championship ever. (Mark Spitz won 1972 4 singles and 3 relay, if a single le is ranked higher than a relay le, Phelps has set an all time record)
each all blacks... no contest here...
Federer is black ??? He must have had the same skin disorder as Jackson.each all blacks... no contest here...
Right now its Federer, the guy doesn't loose. Tiger would be #2 because he does loose, finished second this last week.
Dominance throughout their career would be much tougher. The "Body of worth" argument could include Golf, but then it still would not be Tiger because he has not completed his career.
Lance and Sampras would be very close in my mind, both were the very best at their sport for long periods of time, Lance sat on top for seven years. Sampress was only "dominate" from '93-'97 with ten grand slam wins in that four year span time.
The problem with Lance, if he is always at the top, just how good was his compe ion? The same can be said for Sampras.
In my mind ... All time, Lance ... Now, Federer
The problem with Lance (regardless of doping allegations because most if not all of his compe ors used drugs) is that he only won the "Tour de France" and one world championship when he was younger.Federer is black ??? He must have had the same skin disorder as Jackson.
Right now its Federer, the guy doesn't loose. Tiger would be #2 because he does loose, finished second this last week.
Dominance throughout their career would be much tougher. The "Body of worth" argument could include Golf, but then it still would not be Tiger because he has not completed his career.
Lance and Sampras would be very close in my mind, both were the very best at their sport for long periods of time, Lance sat on top for seven years. Sampress was only "dominate" from '93-'97 with ten grand slam wins in that four year span time.
The problem with Lance, if he is always at the top, just how good was his compe ion? The same can be said for Sampras.
In my mind ... All time, Lance ... Now, Federer
This means that he dominated 4 weeks a year. As a comparison Eddy Mercks won 525 races in his career, 54 in is best season, 5 Tour de France, 5 Giro d'Italia, 1 Vuelta a España.
What are you talking about? NO one in the history of tennis has stayed at #1 for as long as Federer. And the last time someone did....it wasn't even close to the # of weeks Federer has been #1.
Federer is a freak of nature....more so than anything because he has amazing Mental Strength to back up his game. Also, I'd argue that to consistently play at the #1 level in tennis after so many matches is a lot harder or the body and mind than golf. You have to be in way greater physical shape and mental.
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