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They overpaid.
Devin Harris just wants to be Barbosa when he grows up, yet he will be making more than Barbs.
Terry, Stackhouse, Dirk, Howard and now Harris locked through '10-'12 (Dampier as well, but whos count him)
Add to that around 23M coming off the books after this season (Finley and Bradley) .... I like what this team is doing.
They overpaid.
Devin Harris just wants to be Barbosa when he grows up, yet he will be making more than Barbs.
Harris has higher aspirations than being a fast guy with no court vision or passing instincts.
Thats great....but he's still not nearly as good as Barbosa yet, and they just gave him a bigger extention than Barbs got last year.
Cuban will overpay guys like Dampier, Harris etc., but won't pay 10 mill for Steve Nash
lolololol, poor poor poor delusional mavs fans. Devin Harris has already hit his wall. last year was the best its gonna get with that little chode and now that he's got his bucks, it's back to complete and utter mediocracy for lil' devin.
"you're version of tony parker"!!!! LOLOLOL
whoa! i agree with da-suns-fanThats great....but he's still not nearly as good as Barbosa yet, and they just gave him a bigger extention than Barbs got last year.
Cuban will overpay guys like Dampier, Harris etc., but won't pay 10 mill for Steve Nash
Well who wouldn't on this issue?
Take all the bad contracts that have been givin out in NBA history (Kenyan Martin, Raef LaFrentz etc)....take the WORST one and yourself this:
Which was a worse GM move, that terrible contract or the Mavs NOT signing Steve Nash for just over 10 million?
Next year the Kings are destined for another lottery finish with Head Coach Soul-Glow. What's new though, right?
Considering the Mavs got better without Nash, considering we've gone further without him than we ever did with him, how exactly was it a mistake? He gets pwned every spring by Tony Parker.
Drive you nuts doesn't it?
Its fun to try and come up with ANY GM move (trade, contract, etc.) in the history of the NBA that was a worse decision than Cuban snubbing Steve Nash.
Portland picking Bowie over Jordan would probably be a worse move..but thats the only one I can think of.
I don't think any trade could have been worse, cuz you always get SOMETHING in return, and no one has ever just let an MVP walk away for nothing.
we dump Nash and go to the Finals. we dump Nash and beat the Spurs (something Nash still can't do).
Drive you nuts doesn't it?
Its fun to try and come up with ANY GM move (trade, contract, etc.) in the history of the NBA that was a worse decision than Cuban snubbing Steve Nash.
Portland picking Bowie over Jordan would probably be a worse move..but thats the only one I can think of.
I don't think any trade could have been worse, cuz you always get SOMETHING in return, and no one has ever just let an MVP walk away for nothing.
I'd say the Suns paid a load of money to haul away Maverick trash
What is that, something like $50 million for 5 years?
Hmmmm. Not that it was ever really a question, but Tony Parker at $66 for 6 years or Devin Harris at $50 for 5 years? I think I'll take the premium of about $1 million per year for the All-Star.
YOU seemed pretty upset about losing this "trash" on page one of this thread.we dump Nash and go to the Finals. we dump Nash and beat the Spurs (something Nash still can't do).
I'd say the Suns paid a load of money to haul away Maverick trash
I get it, though. You guys can say it was a stupid move, but don't like to hear anyone else say it.
What drives me nuts? Exchanging a very good All-Star caliber point guard for a mediocre big man needed to guard the Duncans and Yaos of the League?
Try harder. Rashard Lewis to Orlando, Barkley to Phoenix for spares, and that's just off the top of my head. Phoenix isn't going to get any better because of the salary commitments to their top three players.Its fun to try and come up with ANY GM move (trade, contract, etc.) in the history of the NBA that was a worse decision than Cuban snubbing Steve Nash.
Portland picking Bowie over Jordan would probably be a worse move..but thats the only one I can think of.
We got his salary slot to spend elsewhere. Do you know what the salary cap is? Funny, just goes to show you valuable bigs are, even spares like Dampier. Not that anybody can really guard Duncan, but without Dampier, we don't beat San Antonio. Nash isn't an MVP, btw. Neither is Dirk or anybody else not named Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant. Funny, the Lakers lose Shaq, got 60 cents on the dollar for him, and went from Elite to missing the playoffs. Mavs let Nash walk, got a mediocre big to replace him, and just got better and better. Nash is very good, but he's got to be the most overrated player in the League right now. If he was really an MVP, the Mavs losing him would've been a huge blow. It hasn't been.I don't think any trade could have been worse, cuz you always get SOMETHING in return, and no one has ever just let an MVP walk away for nothing
I was upset at the time it happened because Nash was and is one of my all-time favorite players, but history has shown it was hardly an error, if anything, it benefited both Phoenix and Dallas.YOU seemed pretty upset about losing this "trash" on page one of this thread.
I get it, though. You guys can say it was a stupid move, but don't like to hear anyone else say it.
Nope, I was just curious if people would rather have Nash/Jamison or Damp/Harris/Stack. That's all. But it's understandable that you'd confuse "curious" with "upset" since ppl in Phoenix can't even comprehend a simple thing like "stay on the bench"
It must be the heat. I've been to Phoenix, it's lovely scenery, but the median IQ must be around 70, if da_suns_fan is any indication.
Here's a poster who is constantly praising his own basketball IQ, but isn't willing to admit that letting Steve Nash Walk away so his team could sign Erica Dampier was one of the worst decisions in NBA history.
How did Erica do against the Warriors? Bet Cuban thought "we could use a Steve Nash right about, NOW!"
They're definitely paying Harris more on his potential than his production (which is always a dangerous thing).
I'm not willing to admit it was one of the worst decisions in basketball history because it wasn't. We let him walk, we got better, Damp guards Duncan as well as anybody, we beat the Spurs and made the Finals, farther than we went with Nash. Case closed.Here's a poster who is constantly praising his own basketball IQ, but isn't willing to admit that letting Steve Nash Walk away so his team could sign Erica Dampier was one of the worst decisions in NBA history.
He had a torn rotator cuff and hardly played. We could've used him against Golden State, we had nobody back to protect the rim from dribble penetration. Steve Nash wouldn't have guarded Baron Davis any better than Jet or Devin. You've been owned again, just like your team.How did Erica do against the Warriors? Bet Cuban thought "we could use a Steve Nash right about, NOW!"
Actually, he doesn't. Desagna Diop does a nice job on Duncan (his length bother Duncan) but not Dampier.
Need Proof? Avery gives more minutes to Diop than Dampier against the Spurs:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...s?statsId=3518
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...s?statsId=3117
btw - you keep bring up that they made it to the finals, but they also LOST to the Heat, LOST to the Suns the year before and LOST in the first round to the Warriors this year!!!
The achilles heel for all three exists has been leadership.
Maybe the asset Steve Nash is praised for most of all.
So you let a player walk away so he could win 2 MVPs, eliminate your team from the playoffs, show the exact type of leadership your team desperately needs all so you can have a Eric Dampier who your coach chooses to not even play against the team that he was brought in to defend!!!
It was a collosal error, and probably cost the Mavericks MULTIPLE championsips!! Would the Mavs have a three-peat on their hands if they would have just kept Nash?
Except that you probably don't go after Terry if Nash is still in the fold.
Harris>Barbosa
Outside shooting Barbosa
Slashing Harris
Passing Harris
Defense Harris
You're an idiot, but that's nothing new. Diop is a nice young player, but he's foul-prone and doesn't have the stamina to play starter's minutes. You can't rely on him to play 40 minutes a game against Duncan. And what would you know or your team know about defense in general, specifically about how to defend a player like Duncan? Nobody guards Duncan well, but Dampier does as nice a job as possible.Actually, he doesn't. Desagna Diop does a nice job on Duncan (his length bother Duncan) but not Dampier.
Really?Need Proof? Avery gives more minutes to Diop than Dampier against the Spurs:
G1 - Diop 16 minutes, Dampier 28
G2 - Diop 20, Damp 15 (blowout win for Dallas)
G3 - Diop 19, Damp 24
G4 - Diop 13, Damp 36
G5 - Diop 24, Damp 17 (foul trouble for Damp)
G6 - Diop 6, Damp 26
G7 - Diop 10, Damp 26
I keep bringing up the fact that the Mavs let Nash walk and got better without him. I keep bringing up the fact that the Mavs went further (Finals appearance, victory over championship-caliber team) than they ever did with Nash (conference finals and a loss to a championship-caliber team). By any objective measure, the Mavs are a better team now without Nash than they were with him. That's not a mark against Nash, he's a very good player, and he's helped turn Phoenix around from a crap team to a very good regular season team, but it's just the facts.btw - you keep bring up that they made it to the finals, but they also LOST to the Heat, LOST to the Suns the year before and LOST in the first round to the Warriors this year!!!
"Leadership" isn't going to stop Dwyane Wade or Baron Davis.The achilles heel for all three exists has been leadership.
It sure isn't his defense or his stamina and ability to play at a high level deep into the playoffs.Maybe the asset Steve Nash is praised for most of all.
Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant are MVPs. White sportswriters who never played the game doling out that award, be it to Nash or Dirk, that means nothing.So you let a player walk away so he could win 2 MVPs,
As well as eliminating Nash and his new team from the playoffs.eliminate your team from the playoffs,
Hmm, he played heavy minutes against the Spurs and without him we don't beat San Antonio. Whatever you say, da_suns_dumbass.show the exact type of leadership your team desperately needs all so you can have a Eric Dampier who your coach chooses to not even play against the team that he was brought in to defend!!!
God, I feel sorry for you at this point. This is just getting too easy. Nash is a very good player, but he's not Jesus, okay?It was a collosal error, and probably cost the Mavericks MULTIPLE championsips
2003-04 Mavs: 52 wins, first-round exit.
Post-Nash:
2004-05 Mavs: 58 wins, second-round exit
2005-06 Mavs: 60 wins, Finals loss.
2006-07 Mavs: 67 wins, first-round exit.
Losing Nash has cost us a playmaking point guard adept at creating for himself and others, no more, no less. Steve Nash is too one-dimensional a player to ever lead a team to a le.
Maybe not. Then again, there was no way Antoine Walker was gonna play in Dallas another year. If that was the best deal available, I bet they'd still do it even if they had Nash, if only to replace Van Exel with Terry.
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