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    It is not "isolationist" to encourage free and open commerce and relations with all states.
    Not all states feel that way. In fact, al Qaeda doesn't and other Islamo-fascist organizations don't want any trade with or influence from the west. How do we deal with them?

    Oh, yeah, their pretty fanatical and intransigent in their position so, negotiation has not worked well in the past.

    That's the general concept. If the US hadn't been meddling in the ME since the before the end of WWII this problem wouldn't exist.
    Says you. I get the feeling the inevitable globalization of cultures and trade would have caused this conflict no matter what our legitimate or illegitimate activities in the region, 50 years ago (and longer), had been.

    No it doesn't.

    How is it bad for US economic stability and security to seek free trade and peaceful diplomatic relations with all nations on the planet?
    Well, there's a pretty significant number of people -- around the world -- that don't want free trade and peaceful diplomatic relations; they want a 13th Century Caliphate.

    How do we address them?

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    Maybe we should stop supporting dictators (ie Hussein, the Shah) and terrorists (ie bin Ladin) before that comes back to bite us in the ass.
    Unless the alternative is worse...

    Do you ever recognize that geopolitics is a fluid and ever changing dynamic?

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    Not all states feel that way. In fact, al Qaeda doesn't and other Islamo-fascist organizations don't want any trade with or influence from the west. How do we deal with them?

    Oh, yeah, their pretty fanatical and intransigent in their position so, negotiation has not worked well in the past.
    They don't want our military in the ME supporting dictatorships.

    Says you. I get the feeling the inevitable globalization of cultures and trade would have caused this conflict no matter what our legitimate or illegitimate activities in the region, 50 years ago (and longer), had been.
    It probably has to do with supporting dictatorships with our military and intelligence agencies.


    Well, there's a pretty significant number of people -- around the world -- that don't want free trade and peaceful diplomatic relations; they want a 13th Century Caliphate.

    How do we address them?
    Probably by not engaging them in a 13th Century manner.

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    They don't want our military in the ME supporting dictatorships.
    They don't want our iPods either or indoor plumbing, either.

    It probably has to do with supporting dictatorships with our military and intelligence agencies.
    Yeah, that would explain Iran's recent crackdown on their "westernized" population for heresy and morality violations.

    Probably by not engaging them in a 13th Century manner.
    Oh no, we're using 21st Century methods.

    But, seriousy, how would you engage them?

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    They don't want our iPods either or indoor plumbing, either.
    Sure, a few militants do not.

    Yeah, that would explain Iran's recent crackdown on their "westernized" population for heresy and morality violations.
    Of course, why is there a theocratic government in Tehran?

    Oh no, we're using 21st Century methods.
    ...and 13th Century strategy.

    But, seriousy, how would you engage them?
    How to engage? How about removing our standing army and navy from around the world and not favoring any nation over another, instead dealing with all? There is no real reason for us as a nation to favor Israel over other ME nations. We should have open dialogue and trade with all.

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    Unless the alternative is worse...

    Do you ever recognize that geopolitics is a fluid and ever changing dynamic?

    Sure. Which means it's easy to get caught in a bind. Or perhaps supporting dictators and movements today which will turn on us tomorrow.

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    he see's what you mean before you say it. He's Agent 99
    No, I wouldn't want to be one of my childhood crushes.


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    See what I mean WC, they make my argument.

    BS statements are their forte.
    Yep. Most boards remove flamers. Some are only baiters. I would like to see the flamers dealt with, baiters are to be expected in a political discussion.

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    Yep. Most boards remove flamers. Some are only baiters. I would like to see the flamers dealt with, baiters are to be expected in a political discussion.
    What do you call someone that blames the death of US troops on bad kharma?

    head?

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    Obviously "flamers" and "baiters" are those who disagree with the lightweight.

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    Obviously "flamers" and "baiters" are those who disagree with the lightweight.
    forget about him, he's still worthless.

    As much as I want to cut Petraeus some slack, I have this gut feeling that Fallon described him perfectly. All you have to do is refer to the past bush decisions on generals.

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    What do you call someone that blames the death of US troops on bad kharma?

    head?
    I was baiting. I posed it as a question, and recieved more idiots than I expected.

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    I was baiting. I posed it as a question, and recieved more idiots than I expected.
    not buying it. you exposed your ignorance. everything you say has references to people as american traitors, including our fallen troops. go yourself

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    go listen to your moron hero. it's time

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    At the end of the Beeg Speech yesterday, Bush said 'We thank the 36 nations who have troops on the ground in Iraq and the many others who are helping that young democracy.'

    I can't think of more than one country with troops still on the ground in Iraq besides the U.S. - Australia.

    Can anyone help a brotha out? Who are these 36 nations?? Not counting Hawaii and Alaska (no kidding)...

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    There are troops from many countries on the ground.

    Most of them aren't allowed to take part in combat operations.

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    According to wikepedia, most of the 36 have withdrawn

    Wikipedia

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    ..and It's 40 Nations...

    ....At least according to Black Bush (as portrayed by Dave Chappelle)

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