No BS!

[Vingianx]

Spurs will get there again

[YoMamaIsCallin]

50% at Spurs repeating versus 50% for one of 29 other teams winning a le?????

Think about your odds again. 2:1 odds Spurs repeat?

Foreal?

actually it's not 2:1 odds, it's 50-50.

And, look at recent history. The Spurs have won it all 3 out of the last 5 years. The other 2 times, they were knocked out by a last-second play. That to me says that for the last 5 years the Spurs have been right there with as good a chance to win as the rest of the NBA combined. That is 50-50 odds to me.

And, things have not changed radically, neither the Spurs nor the other elite teams.

So, why not 50-50?

[JamStone]

A couple of things wrong here.

First, Vegas odds are 4:1.

Secondly, these odds translate to a 20% chance. Three to one would translate to a 25% chance. Two to one would be 33%.

Thanks. I'm not a gambler. I didn't know that.

So, Vegas says Spurs chance is about 20% to win it all again.

And, Kamnik doesn't want to argue about a few percentages up or down. How about a 30% difference, especially when Kamnik brought up Vegas odds to begin with.

[JamStone]

actually it's not 2:1 odds, it's 50-50.

And, look at recent history. The Spurs have won it all 3 out of the last 5 years. The other 2 times, they were knocked out by a last-second play. That to me says that for the last 5 years the Spurs have been right there with as good a chance to win as the rest of the NBA combined. That is 50-50 odds to me.

And, things have not changed radically, neither the Spurs nor the other elite teams.

So, why not 50-50?

Uhhhhh, the other two times were in the second round, not the NBA Finals, not even the conference finals. And, both those times the Spurs were knocked out by teams that did not end up winning the le. Don't see how that would cons ute to being "right there with a good chance to win."

[Kamnik]

@JamStone: Are you just pissed because noone mentiones the Pistons or what?

Chill friend....







1:4? I am going to bet some money hehe!

I know Vegas knows their business but what the .... just 25%?

[lefty]

2008, easy

[JamStone]

@JamStone: Are you just pissed because noone mentiones the Pistons or what?

Chill friend....







1:4? I am going to bet some money hehe!

I know Vegas knows their business but what the .... just 25%?

Chill???

You were the one who brought up Vegas odds.

None of the Pistons players deserve mention. None will be an MVP candidate. I understand that. It has nothing to do with anything I posted in this thread.

I am merely calling out your homerism. You think the Spurs have a 50% chance to repeat even if they have injuries. I just think that's a bit ridiculous.

Again, YOU were the one who first mentioned the Vegas odds. Now that it's clear that the Vegas odds don't support anything you stated, the Vegas odds don't make sense ...

[ShoogarBear]

The Spurs are always contenders, but face it: in a lot of ways they got breaks last year that partially made up for 2004 and 2006.

Dallas still presents all the same matchup problems assuming they aren't psychologically destroyed by what happened to them. Houston is always a tough matchup and will have Bonzi at minimum and perhaps Bonzi and Scola. I don't think Phoenix improved, but Utah might have.

I have no problem with the Spurs being considered favorites, but even then those odds can't be better than 3:1 or 5:2.

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Uhhhhh, the other two times were in the second round, not the NBA Finals, not even the conference finals. And, both those times the Spurs were knocked out by teams that did not end up winning the le. Don't see how that would cons ute to being "right there with a good chance to win."

uhhhhh, the other two times the Spurs got knocked out by the team that WON the Western Conference. Doesn't matter that it happened in the 2nd round, that's just when they happened to meet.

And, I think the Spurs would have given both Detroit (2004) and Miami (2006) a much closer Finals than the Lakers or Mavs did. Don't you? I mean, you've got to admit Detroit, because the Spurs came back and beat them in a close series the following season. Miami, they've always had trouble with for some reason. So that one, maybe, I'll give you.

[Fat boy]

hmmm well let's see.

Who is their compe ion and did they improve?

Suns: No. Lost Kurt Thomas who was their only Duncan defender. Picked up Grant Hill, who is more of a scorer than a defender. They don't need more scoring, there's only one ball. Picked up nothing of consequence in the draft.

Mavs: No. They've made essentially no changes. And they are now scarred from their first-round playoff loss last season.

How about the Spurs. Have they improved?

I think yes, a bit. Ime Udoka may be Bowen's backup. Other than that, they bring back their championship team.

Therefore, we conclude:

Their chances of winning this year are actually a bit better than last year. So I'd give them a 50-50 shot. If they are healthy going into the playoffs, I'd give them maybe a 60-40 chance.

I have to agree with this person.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

The Spurs are always contenders, but face it: in a lot of ways they got breaks last year that partially made up for 2004 and 2006.

Dallas still presents all the same matchup problems assuming they aren't psychologically destroyed by what happened to them. Houston is always a tough matchup and will have Bonzi at minimum and perhaps Bonzi and Scola. I don't think Phoenix improved, but Utah might have.

I have no problem with the Spurs being considered favorites, but even then those odds can't be better than 3:1 or 5:2.

Utah=2005 Sonics. Dont expect them to be as good as they were last season. They lost Fisher, still lack a 2, and have that overrated piece of called AK-47.

[Hantler]

You very well know that 20 or so teams have a combined percentage of a possible ring this year 1%.

99% that one of the top 10 teams win.


Anyways... i wont argue about a few % up or down.

My point is that if Spurs arent injured throught the playoffs they have a very very big % of chance of repeating.

I personally dont take Celtics (not enough depth and probably not good chemistry) and Bulls (Wallace is overrated and they dont have any solid low post scorer) or any eastern team very seriously.

And in the west most of the teams except the Rox will be worse this year. (the teams that can instantly contedn; offcourse Blazers and many other will be better)

[Big Worm]

As long as you make it out of the West and into the Finals I think you can win it all again. you are 4-0 in finals appearances. The West is still very though. I give you all a 50/50 shot of actually winning it all. Anytime you come back from a championship run, you have a target on your back. You have something they all want. And age is not on your side.

[Brandon Fraser]

Uhhhhh, the other two times were in the second round, not the NBA Finals, not even the conference finals. And, both those times the Spurs were knocked out by teams that did not end up winning the le. Don't see how that would cons ute to being "right there with a good chance to win."

Has a Good point!

[saporvida]

Has a Good point!

good point my ass.

we lose to the mavs in 06 by a small margin in game 7 of overtime and we werent in a good position to win it all?

we lose to the lakers in 04 by 0.4 and yet we werent in a good position to win it all?

remind me when the last time it was we lost a wcf and a finals series... yeah.