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And for having a noodle for an arm.
They are CONSTANTLY dogging him for his inability to throw deep.
Harrington, Grossman, and Couch actually suck though. They don't do .
Pennington is only criticized for being injury prone.
And for having a noodle for an arm.
They are CONSTANTLY dogging him for his inability to throw deep.
Yeah, but since we are now basing everything on Wins and losses, Grossman is kicking ass.
Just this week I heard them saying that Alex Smith should be replaced next year because he is not the guy for the job. They are 2-0. The point is that everyone thinks they get it worse than the next guy, it is often their own insecurity manifesting itself into self pitty because they think people are questioning them. They often think they have to do more to prove themself, when in reality no one really cares.
Just look around your work place, their are always people that think they are treated unfairly when in reality they are treated just like everyone else.
Well first I'll say that I'm from the old school and that today's black QB's only go through a fraction of what the black qb's of yesterday went through back in the James Harris and Joe Gillam (showing my age here) days. Not to mention when it was a common practice to convert a black qb from a quarterback in college to a wide reciever or running back like what happened to Cowboys wide receiver Drew Pearson. The good ole' days when it was thought that a black man wasn't smart enough to be a QB. What today's black qb's go through today is nothing compared to what they went through in previous years.
That being said, you can't tell me that you all don't judge a black qb harder than a white one. The influx of black qb's is relatively recent and qb's have traditionally been white so when a black one comes it is human nature to critique him more harshly than your average white qb. I'll admit that I find myself being harder on white basketball players than a black one sometimes.
I only judge a QB on his performance.
Race/color/whatever is meaningless when you want your team to win.
mcnabb still doesn't realize philly fans are terrible and turn on everybody at the drop of a hat? barkley was talking about it last night, said he should have left himself 2 years earlier.
I can tell you that because it's true.
Harrington was raked over the coals time and time again, more so than Rodney Peete or Andre Ware(possibly even worse than Harrington) ever were here in Detroit.
It isn't black or white, it's where these guys were drafted. Delhomme and Bulger were picked up late in the draft, if at all, while Harrington, Carr, Leftwich, Leaf, McNabb and Culpepper were all 1st round picks. Guess who gets more criticism?
Half the fans automatically hate the guy because it wasn't who they wanted that high in the draft and drill him when he doesn't perform.
That's good for you. Unfortunately, not everyone in the world has the same mind-set.
I think there are way too many factors that go into how vociferously a QB is criticized to jump to a racially motivated conclusion. First off, there's the fact that Philadelphia is the fifth largest city in the country, so it's a BIG football market. That means the Eagles get more attention than the Rams, Seahawks, Chiefs, Panthers, etc. The only 3 cities bigger with teams are NY, Chicago, and Houston...and look at their QBs. Grossman is the most reviled player in the game. Manning is getting nailed by both media and ex-teammates (is TIKI BARBER a racist?!?!?!). David Carr was run out of town in Houston.
The criticism also has to do with having success in the past, being drafted high, AND another QB (Garcia) having interim success while McNabb was out. All of these amplify the criticism. These and the large market factors don't apply to Bulger, Delhomme, and Huard. White QBs take criticism all the time... , Brett Favre has taken a lot of heat over the past couple of seasons, and he has a much more impressive resume than McNabb's. How many people did you ever hear criticize Steve McNair...he's black isn't he? Or Vince Young? People only say that he has a odd release...umm...true, but everyone loves him because he's a "gamer".
Bottom line is that McNabb was a high-pick, formerly successful QB in one of the biggest football cities with notoriously fickle fans. He's going to be scrutinized whether he's white, black, or Air Bud. (Every loved Ty Detmer didn't they? Ha.) Being black has little, or more likely, nothing, to do with the criticism coming Donovan's way.
It;s pretty simple, if you're black, don't suck.
I go back that far as well and also remember when Reggie Collier was brought in as well. I can tell you with all certainty that I don't judge black players any better or worse than white players. Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass what color a player is, be it a QB or anything else. All I care about is what that player can do to make my team successful. If a black QB wins my team ball games, put him in, if he doesn't, take him out. Same goes for a white QB, hispanic QB whatever. I don't doubt that there are still some fans out there that are uncomfortable with the idea of a black QB leading their team...which to me is pretty stupid, but to say all fans are like that is just as bad.Well first I'll say that I'm from the old school and that today's black QB's only go through a fraction of what the black qb's of yesterday went through back in the James Harris and Joe Gillam (showing my age here) days. Not to mention when it was a common practice to convert a black qb from a quarterback in college to a wide reciever or running back like what happened to Cowboys wide receiver Drew Pearson. The good ole' days when it was thought that a black man wasn't smart enough to be a QB. What today's black qb's go through today is nothing compared to what they went through in previous years.
That being said, you can't tell me that you all don't judge a black qb harder than a white one. The influx of black qb's is relatively recent and qb's have traditionally been white so when a black one comes it is human nature to critique him more harshly than your average white qb. I'll admit that I find myself being harder on white basketball players than a black one sometimes.
I don't expect to be believed, in fact I expect the "liar" post anytime now but that's my opinion.
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I will tell you what McNabb does need.....his receivers to stop playing like moldy ass.
the owner needs to start paying good receivers to come in, and/or stay, then.
Good point.the owner needs to start paying good receivers to come in, and/or stay, then.
Fortunately, not everyone is a racist.
Dear Donovan,
Bad QBs get criticized. QBs who aren't "making the nut" get criticized. As Michael Jackson said, it don't matter if you're black or white.
Sincerely
Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, Drew Henson, David Carr and a host of other white boys who have never been criticized.
So Rush is still wrong?
I agree that McNabb has taken a lot of unfair criticism over the years, but such is the life of a QB. I don't think it's because he's black, though. I think it's a fickle city, and he's under a microscope there. His mistakes seem to be magnified because of his situation, not his race.
Well Mcnabb is more than welcomed to come to the Cowboys. He can be our new 2nd string quarterback right behind Romo.
Hey there, looks like you missed me yet again.
I can. This is all stupid. McNabb was cast unfairly as a drama queen during the T.O. escapade seeing as how he never openly said anything major and T.O. was doing the instigating.
The only thing that makes me criticize McNabb is when he 1) keeps over throwing his receivers and 2) says something like this. This is a drama queen thing to say.
Someone brought up Rex Grossman earlier - great point. Rex is getting mauled everywhere but he doesn't have the race card to play.
McNabb needs to toughen up and stop thinking so narrowly. He's getting criticized because he
1 keeps getting injured
2 is 0-2
3 has played bad this season
4 hasn't won a superbowl
5 is the QB of a NFL franchise
Not because he's black.
Didn't Peyton Manning get rediculed every year until last because he couldn't win the big game?
Isn't his brother a lightening rod for question marks in the media?
Rex Grossman was the QB of a superbowl team which nobody said he could do and he still gets burned everyday.
Joey Harrington is the laughing stock of the league and rediculed at every turn.
The ugly truth for Donovan is that Jeff Garcia came in when he got injured and ran the show as good if not better than Donovan would have.
Black QBs are rapidly emerging:
Donovan McNabb
Vince Young
Daunte Culpepper
Jamarcus Russell
David Garrard
Byron Leftwich (will take over as soon as he knows the playbook)
Jason Campbell
Tavaris Jackson
Steve McNair
Also recently:
Mike Vick
Aaron Brooks
It's amazing how the ones that play good are praised and the ones that play bad are criticized.
Jason Campbell got high remarks after MNF and you can't touch Vince Young right now.
Maybe McNabb has something personal going on with Philadelphia and their fans but that's not applicable to the whole NFL.
NFL is about wins and losses. If you win, they don't care if you're black, white, or mexican (see Romo and Garcia) - you're going to play. And most likely if you're winning (unless your name is Rex Grossman) you'll be the golden boy.
McNabb needs to start worrying about hitting his wide open WRs rather than if white people are criticizing him too much.
These comments are rediculous and self-absorbed.
Black people need to recognized that 95%+ of white sports fans aren't racist - especially the ones under 60.
If you're a white sports fan at all to either basketball or football - how can you be? All teams are majority black. Do racist people cheer for the people they are racist against?
Criticism is largely derisive of play. Anything otherwise is the exception and not the rule as McNabb suggests.
Get real.
It gets me when people try to claim they are not racist just because they like a black player who plays on their team. Try telling that to Jim Brown or Bill Russell.
Wow great response. Sounds like someone trying to find something that isn't there.
Besides that aren't you out of context? Try telling that line to me again knowing that overwhelming majority of the NBA and NFL are black compared to when blacks where the minority when those players played.
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