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For me, Manu > Kobe.
Kobe>Manu I like Manu, but that's all Medvedenko is trying to say.
For me, Manu > Kobe.
and you are a spur and manu homer
manu is a better teamate but kobe>manu
Manu: one Olympics gold and one world silver in FIBA.
three les in NBA.
Kobe: three les in NBA.
Manu is a winner in different levels of games. He is the no.1 sg in FIBA. This is a fact that the whole world know.
Why don't I think Manu > Kobe?
do you actually think any gm or owner would pick manu over kobe if those two were the choice ?
Actually, I do.
wow
is all I got to stay
Yeap, but ... to read an irony he would probably need a brain
Agreed.
If the Lakers offered Kobe for Manu straight up tomorrow, I think Pop would probably start figuring out ways to thank Manu for his service in San Antonio while wishing him luck in Los Angeles.
That said, the discussion has definitely strayed from the original point -- I don't see that it's all that remarkable that Ginobili might be among the more efficient players in the league.
I think you are not Pop.
Gotta give my 2 cents on the Kobe versus Manu. obviously, Kobe is the more athletic player, but who would you want to take a last second shot or create a play for a teammate? For a last second shot, Id go with Kobe, easily the better shooter, but for either to make a shot or create a shot for a teammate on a last play of the game ill take Manu. Kobe would force the shot, while Manu would be willing to give the ball up for the good of the team. Just my cents worth.
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Yoda, not watch basketball I say.....
I think if Manu plays like in 2005 he pretty much owns Kobe... he's slowed down because of the risky way he plays so he could play longer in the NBA...
There's a reason Manu is Kobe's favorite player..
I too think that Kobe>Manu..
But if Manu miraculously cant get as easily hurt with his style of play.. he's better than Kobe..... there's alot of if's...
Manu is winning and thats all that matters to him atm... if he would've gone to denver.. i can't imagine him not getting 20+ ppg and be put in the same sentence as bryant..
lol is there another Kobe Bryant that i dont know of in this league?
Whoever thinks Manu > Kobe is insane. If we're talking straight up trade as in one for the other and nothing else, Pop would help Manu pack his bags, drive him up to LA gift rapped with a little bow on the top... COME ON PEOPLE!
God knows I love Manu, and if we were still talking about 2005 playoffs Manu then I could understand, but 2006-2007 Manu is nowhere near Kobe
This is very interesting.
Kobe is a huge talent, the best one-on-one perimeter scorer in the world today, one of the five best scorers to ever play - and yet his three years as a centerpiece to a franchise have been unremarkable in terms of team success. Basically, Kobe is Dominique Wilkins now.
There's no way to measure intangibles, obviously, but I believe Kobe has more negative intangibles than the other guys on this list. His talent is so big that if he was available to your team, you'd have to snap him up - but I would be very uneasy about it, kind of like acquiring TO or Randy Moss in football.
Personally, I liked Kobe's game of the 2000 season the best. He could score at will, just as he does now, but he seemed then to be more of an all-around player than he is now.
I think you are not smart.
what has he won so far? a outnament where nobody gave the US compe ion because it didn;t worth to waste energy to focus and their next real opponent?
You mean you are Pop???
How can you be so sure I am from argentina?
Nice to meet you!
Isn't this thread about efficiency?
Nice to meet you too.
Orly?
If that's not convincing, there's always those first round playoff exits or the scintillating fourth quarter disappearances by Kobe in the NBA.
I wouldn't put Manu before Kobe either, but let's at least wait until Kobe's won something in international ball before putting him up there with the all time greats. Professionally, Manu has done exactly what Kobe has done: win three rings with a dominant post player, but Manu's got some success in international tournaments in something other than qualifying rounds. If winning is the name of the game, then Kobe's got some skins to earn to put himself quantifiably ahead of Manu.
Or perhaps Kobe should change his FIBA number to 81 just to remind everyone why he gets so much respect that he clearly doesn't deserve.
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