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    When one is nearing 4,000 posts on a sports forum, I would be a little more wary of bandying about words like wasting time or "not having enough of a life" in another persons face. Just a suggestion.
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    Is that the best you can honestly come up with? I know 7 year olds with a more functional frontal lobe.

    It was YOU that called ME out for not having a life, you little pissant. You. With (nearly) double the number of posts I have, decided that you would accuse me of not having a life.

    For stating that I care about people and how my actions affect them.

    Wow, you know what? Laugh at me all you want. It makes it all the more apparent the kind of person you are.

    I seriously doubt you even have the mental capacity (or strength of character) to respond to Samr's post. Just as well, since anything you say would undoubtedly consist of a lot of baseless accusations against the legitimacy of his story, and a slew of internet smilies to show how "superior" you are.

    How dare you respond to this thread in such a fashion after that incredible post Samr just made?

    Oh wait, you don't ing care about other people. Sorry. I forgot. Carry on with your life.

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    Classy response. You were the one who erred in stating that not wearing a seatbelt only affects yourself, not I. And because you admit to not caring about how your behavior affects others, who are you to tell me what to do or make presumptions about my habits and behaviors? You were free to decline the inquisition I made about you smoking, instead you chose to be pissy and insulted because I provided a logical conclusion that was counterpoint to your thoughtless words.
    Not wearing a seatbelt only affects one person and I stand by that. HAH, OK, if someone happens to get into a wreck into an electricity pole causing the wires to dangle hazardously that places the victim and paramedics in more harm than if the passenger had been buckled up.. THEN it could affect others.. lolol , sweet widely applicable scenario.!! And just because insurance rises because some unbuckled driver gets in an accident isnt that individulas fault, it's the insurance companies fault. They are the ones that are ing people over, not people who drive without their seatbelt. Disillusion yourself.

    decline the inquisition you made about smoking? my thoughtless words??? how much thought did your responses require?? you're trying to hard

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    Cry Havoc and I are arguing the same side, so I feel slightly compelled to step in here, even if the comment wasn't directed at me specifically.....


    Seven weeks ago I underwent surgery to remove a brain tumor. Repeat: a brain tumor. The thing occupied about a quarter of my skull cavity, which means all the brain tissue was shoved into a space too small to occupying it. Several glands in the back of my head had already been forced down into my spinal cavity, like someone jumping out of a five-story window to avoid the fire behind them. I was so hydrocephalic that the doctors were afraid the fluid would literally push my brain down onto my spine. There is no rational explanation for why it didn't. I had one doctor tell me, literally, "I am surprised you are alive right now." Miracle, luck, you can call it whatever you want, because the odds still say I should be dead.

    So yeah, I do care about others being safe, because I KNOW what it is like to lay in a hospital, with a somewhat reasonable chance of facing major, life-changing side-effects, if not simply facing death. I am GLAD these people who go without seat belts or otherwise make extremely dangerous and potentially life-threatening choices have not experienced what I have experienced. I am glad they are able to take these stupid risks in their lives, because that means they do not know what it is like to legitimately face (but hopefully escape) the end of it. It is something no one should ever have to go through. Assuming they can avoid it.

    The one thing I kept repeating in that hospital was that I was so glad it was me in there, and not someone else in my family. I'd rather me go through something alone so long as it meant saving two more. I told my family everything I felt, everything I went through, and did my best to describe the experience (the description, though, is still a work in progress), because I wanted them to learn from me. I wanted to use my experience to help them avoid something similar. I didn't want to see anyone in my family learn to not be stupid, the hard way.

    Though obviously it is impossible to equate my thoughts toward strangers with my feelings toward my family and friends, I still do care what happens to strangers, for the exact same reasons. The kind of I experienced simply from a few bad brain cells (the tumor was not caused by anything I did) was enough for me to handle; I cannot even imagine what it would feel like to experience (figuratively) for something you caused by yourself. For something you had control over. Why would you want to do that to yourself? Why would you want to put yourself through it? Why would you willingly increase the odds, exponentially, of facing a potential deadly situation just because an activity was fun at the time? Or because something "didn't feel comfortable?"

    And you say that you are "only hurting yourself." That's wrong. When you put yourself in danger, when you hurt yourself, you are also hurting every. single. person who cares about you. Many members of my family broke down in tears in front of me, and many, many more did so before/after they saw me. Today I returned to work for the first time since surgery, and the first thing one of my co-workers said to me was that her two-year-old son still includes me every night in his bedtime prayers. He barely even knows me ("Mr. Sam" is "Mommy's friend," and I stop by his classroom once or twice a day), and he's certainly not old enough to register what happened, yet he was still worried enough, at the ripe old age of two (almost three), to pray for me every night. What if that happened to you? If that kid, nowhere close in age to the driving population you were referring to, understood enough to be worried about me, don't you think that older, more comprehending others could also be hurt by you, too?

    One of the worst parts for me, personally, about being in such a critical situation was that I knew was HURTING OTHERS as well. And I had no control over it. When you hurt yourself, believe it or not, you do hurt others. And in some ways, that hurt is even more severe than your own. Fortunately I don't quite remember most of my really bad times those first few days; the people who saw me then remember those times very well. Think my being in pain, throwing up, moaning and asking everyone available for help hurt them? It didn't hurt me. I don't remember it.

    So, imagine for a second that you are the one in the hospital. Say you broke your neck while not wearing a seat belt. Now, imagine all of the people who care for you. Your friends, your family, those at work or at school, those who even know you peripherally, like two-year-old kids. Imagine them crying. Not being able to sleep. Praying all day for you to just recover from a stupid mistake YOU MADE. Such was the case with the roommate I had during my last day in the hospital. He decided to dive off a pier without first testing the water for rocks, and had to be airlifted to the hospital. When he came into the room, he was wearing a neck brace, with apparently some kind of spinal injury and something wrong with his brain as well (we were in the neurological intensive care unit, so there was obviously more to it; there were paralyzed people all around me in that place). His girlfriend was by his side, crying. His boss had called the hospital to make sure he was alive. His mother was in her car and on her way. How many people do you think he hurt by jumping off that pier? More than just himself, I'm guessing.

    Yes, I do have "way too much time on [my] hands." Because I spent nearly two months forcibly doing nothing. First month, I was in the worst pain you can possibly imagine. Two weeks LATER and I finally stopped vomiting. Obviously, I have had quite a few medical problems of my own to worry about (I won't even get into the fact that I have osteoporosis as well, or that my grandfather just got out of surgery for cancer). Yes, they are enough. As for my life, well, I think the perspective I gained by almost losing it, was enough to increase the quality and my appreciation of it by ten-fold. And I worry about keeping it more than I ever have before.


    You need to step down, right now. Clearly, you do care just about yourself. You do care about just your safety, only. And honestly, I hope you never experience something that makes you care otherwise. Instead, I hope you can learn from the experiences of others. One day, it may save your life as well.

    No words. It's wonderful that you can post to these boards today, not to mention in a completely competent and well-worded manner. Congrats on your life. You've earned it. =)

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    Is that the best you can honestly come up with? I know 7 year olds with a more functional frontal lobe.

    It was YOU that called ME out for not having a life, you little pissant. You. With (nearly) double the number of posts I have, decided that you would accuse me of not having a life.

    For stating that I care about people and how my actions affect them.

    Wow, you know what? Laugh at me all you want. It makes it all the more apparent the kind of person you are.

    I seriously doubt you even have the mental capacity (or strength of character) to respond to Samr's post. Just as well, since anything you say would undoubtedly consist of a lot of baseless accusations against the legitimacy of his story, and a slew of internet smilies to show how "superior" you are.

    How dare you respond to this thread in such a fashion after that incredible post Samr just made?

    Oh wait, you don't ing care about other people. Sorry. I forgot. Carry on with your life.
    wow you're lame as . I read all about Samr's situation in the original post he made in the club after he was done with surgery. I talk and deal with and attempt to console people with all types of tumors every day, including brain tumors. I've heard his story, he told it again and i don't feel the need to respond to that aspect of it. I get it, he wants others to live and learn from their mistakes. Thats good of him, he genuinely seemed to learn a lesson from his ordeal.

    Is that enough mental capacity for you? How much mental capacity does it take to play wii all day?

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    Not wearing a seatbelt only affects one person and I stand by that. HAH, OK, if someone happens to get into a wreck into an electricity pole causing the wires to dangle hazardously that places the victim and paramedics in more harm than if the passenger had been buckled up.. THEN it could affect others.. lolol , sweet widely applicable scenario.!! And just because insurance rises because some unbuckled driver gets in an accident isnt that individulas fault, it's the insurance companies fault. They are the ones that are ing people over, not people who drive without their seatbelt. Disillusion yourself.
    I'm not even going to get into the obvious logical conclusions that the auto-industry has come to regarding young people and high medical costs in vehicular accidents.

    You must feel safe in your cocoon of the one-accident hypothesis. Real life doesn't work that way. By your own admission, if you saw someone get ejected from their car, you'd just drive on by, cause who gives a damn? While someone who actually cares might try to help the injured, and be struck by another car, be hurt by shrapnel, or incur any number of injuries attempting to help you from the vehicle. You clearly haven't been to too many crash scenes upon the initial collision. They are ish, chaotic, and you don't think or act logically.

    And as was posted by Samr, the effects of a life-threatening (or fatal) accident are much farther reaching than just the individual who's directly involved.

    decline the inquisition you made about smoking? my thoughtless words??? how much thought did your responses require?? you're trying to hard
    I cannot respond to this, as I am now questioning your grasp of the English language.

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    When one is nearing 4,000 posts on a sports forum, I would be a little more wary of bandying about words like wasting time or "not having enough of a life" in another persons face. Just a suggestion.
    thispego
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    lolol, man that's more than twice the number of posts per day!

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    wow you're lame as . I read all about Samr's situation in the original post he made in the club after he was done with surgery. I talk and deal with and attempt to console people with all types of tumors every day, including brain tumors. I've heard his story, he told it again and i don't feel the need to respond to that aspect of it. I get it, he wants others to live and learn from their mistakes. Thats good of him, he genuinely seemed to learn a lesson from his ordeal.
    "You need to step down, right now. Clearly, you do care just about yourself. You do care about just your safety, only. And honestly, I hope you never experience something that makes you care otherwise. Instead, I hope you can learn from the experiences of others. One day, it may save your life as well."

    How about that part? Care to respond, or stick to your, "I could give a less about other people" philosophy?

    How much mental capacity does it take to play wii all day?
    Ah yes, now you've really reached the height of legitimacy. Critiquing someone's avatar is little short of trolling. Way to really drive your point home.

    Is that enough mental capacity for you?
    No comment.

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    lolol, man that's more than twice the number of posts per day!
    And with that, I'm done with you. Clearly, there are two completely different concerns at work here. I feel sorry for you, truth be told. Ignorance might be bliss, but it certainly is ugly from the outside looking in.

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    I'm not even going to get into the obvious logical conclusions that the auto-industry has come to regarding young people and high medical costs in vehicular accidents.

    You must feel safe in your cocoon of the one-accident hypothesis. Real life doesn't work that way. By your own admission, if you saw someone get ejected from their car, you'd just drive on by, cause who gives a damn? While someone who actually cares might try to help the injured, and be struck by another car, be hurt by shrapnel, or incur any number of injuries attempting to help you from the vehicle. (So the victim IS buckled in?) You clearly haven't been to too many crash scenes upon the initial collision. They are ish, chaotic, and you don't think or act logically.
    holy I've never been spun like this!!

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    And with that, I'm done with you. Clearly, there are two completely different concerns at work here. I feel sorry for you, truth be told. Ignorance might be bliss, but it certainly is ugly from the outside looking in.
    Yeah, two different concerns. you want people to be ticketed for not wearing their seatbelt and I dont. Just wanted to summarize for everyone.

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    "You need to step down, right now. Clearly, you do care just about yourself. You do care about just your safety, only. And honestly, I hope you never experience something that makes you care otherwise. Instead, I hope you can learn from the experiences of others. One day, it may save your life as well."

    How about that part? Care to respond, or stick to your, "I could give a less about other people" philosophy?
    I don't see how anyone could read my responses and take them to mean that I'm indifferent to human or emotional suffering. That's ludicrous, you're pitching that because if I actually felt that way it would support your argument.

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    i thought you were done with me??? too late, i'm done with you

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    Where is the evidence proving that mandatory seat-beat usage, and seat-belt usage alone, has reduced highway fatalities/injuries since its inception in the late 80s?

    I'll wait.

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    Where is the evidence proving that mandatory seat-beat usage, and seat-belt usage alone, has reduced highway fatalities/injuries since its inception in the late 80s?

    I'll wait.
    An Unenforceable “Law”

    Drivers in the Southeast are less likely to buckle up than the rest of the nation’s drivers, and the fatal crash rate in the region is 20 percent higher than in other parts of the United States.

    The Southeast has fewer states with “primary” seat-belt laws—which authorize officers to ticket drivers specifically for not buckling up. According to a recent NHTSA study, states with primary safety-belt laws have usage rates 10-to-15 percent higher than states with secondary laws and so have lower death and injury rates.

    Source:
    http://main.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=45962

    In 2002, belt use in States with primary laws was 80 percent, compared with 69 percent in States without primary laws.

    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/inju...factsheet.html

    Satisfied?

    Other statistics:

    Safety belts when used properly reduce the number of serious traffic injuries by 50 percent and fatalities by 60-70 percent.

    http://main.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=45962

    The general public pays nearly three-quarters of all crash costs, primarily through insurance premiums, taxes, delays and lost productivity.

    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/inju...factsheet.html



    And for the record:

    A common cause of death and injury to children in motor vehicles is being crushed by adults who are not wearing safety belts. On out of four serious injuries to passengers is caused by occupants being thrown into each other.

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    Our estimates of the potential savings in lives from increased belt usage are less than half the estimate used by NHTSA
    http://www.stanford.edu/~leinav/pubs/RESTAT2003.pdf
    Last edited by DisgruntledLionFan#54,927; 09-28-2007 at 12:44 AM.

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    I will trade the seatbelt law for a hands-free cellular law any day of the week. Another driver not being buckled up isn't putting my life in danger - some asshole zipping through traffic looking for a number on his Blackberry is.

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    Haven't there been a few studies that state hands-free is just as dangerous as using the phone itself?

    Ban them all. Nobody is that ing important.

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    Click it. Or ticket.

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    Another driver not being buckled up isn't putting my life in danger - some asshole zipping through traffic looking for a number on his Blackberry is.
    the boom has been lowered

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    the cop was a . i hope there was phleghm on his trousers...

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    I dont know if this is relevant, but how many car accidents have you folks been in?

    Last count for me was 9, only 1 of those was I driving.

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    i got a ticket for no seatbelt in 91'.

    went to work pissed.

    coworker said..."hey, that cops saved your life"

    bas .


    i fell asleep at the wheel in 93.

    luckily i was wearin the seatbelt!


    that cop DID save my life!


    but he's still a rat bas .

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    I dont know if this is relevant, but how many car accidents have you folks been in?

    Last count for me was 9, only 1 of those was I driving.
    1, driving drunk in a parking lot, by myself, with my seatbelt on.

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    I dont know if this is relevant, but how many car accidents have you folks been in?

    Last count for me was 9, only 1 of those was I driving.
    Two. When I was 19. Made a left turn were I was not supposed to.

    The other one I was not driving.

    None were life threatening, just crashes.

    I've been lucky since.

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