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    Whottt makes me laugh harder than anyone when he gets flipped into Crazy Whottt mode.
    I will for ever remember how he tried to persuade me and a bunch of others how America is 1000x more diverse than Europe. (being dead serious)

    I could dislike his ignorat self but i just love to see him get owned by timvp in every possible thread.

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    whott remark withdrawn.
    That's all I was shooting for. It pains me enough having to agree with him.

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    That's all I was shooting for. It pains me enough having to agree with him.

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    Until we got a similar guy who called himself Jack...it wasn't rememberance...it was lightning striking twice...with guys who could hit those damn shots.
    Which, of course, explains both 2005 and 2007.

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    i still think aj's a joke. riding coat tails is all i saw aj doing in his tenure. it doesn't take 10 yrs to motivate a friend, especially not for bball. all you gotta do is talk them and they strive to get better.

    anyhow, like i have stated all along. aj is mediocre and def not worthy of flying high in the rafters of the at&t building.

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    Which, of course, explains both 2005 and 2007.


    By then you had a solid core, 3 key returning players...not to mention that Horry guy. Who also has a habit of hitting shots...not that that's important or anything.

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    I love timvp because I hate America

    Well said, ass.

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    By then you had a solid core, 3 key returning players...not to mention that Horry guy. Who also has a habit of hitting shots...not that that's important or anything.
    But I thought it was Mario Elie's leadership and Stephen Jackson's leadership that made a solid core into a championship winner. Now you're saying that a solid core with 3 (or 4) key returning players and a guy who hits big shots is actually enough.

    Which of those is your argument?

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    Where below is the revisionism?



    As to the reports you read, I don't recall them. I'm not saying that I did not read those reports - I may have and they left no impression upon me. My filter is different from yours, clearly.

    whott remark withdrawn.

    Pssst...


    Slick, for a guy who likes to run spelling smack...might be a good idea for you to spell my name correctly...don't you dare say it's typo.



    Anyway...spelling smack instantly marks you as the worst kind of loser on a message board...I'd be willing to bet I have a better vocabulary and grammar skills than you, if it were put to the test, not to mention a better education...


    I can tell by your pomous ass blog that you seem to think is cutting edge but really reads like third grade stat analysis that you are in fact...a snob with an undeservedly high opinon of his own limited analytical skills...

    You must feel pretty inferior if you think a message board post is indicative of formal writing ability...

    IOW, you're a loser, it's a message board, I have a wireless keyboard, and AJ didn't have J.

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    Well said, ass.
    I hate ignorant people from America, not America!

    Guess what.... i hate ignorant people from elsewhere too!

    And i dont like timvp any more than others... i just like the part of him owning you in every second thread on ST.

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    I'm not even sure why I'm bothering here -- I can see this one turning into Robert Horry as a first-ballot, no-brainer Hall of Famer before this thread is done.

    No rafters for Avery Johnson, but certain enshrinement for Robert Horry (who will likely never have his number retired by any franchise).

    I'm also sure we couldn't have had any of these arguments in that other thread.

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    AJ is bull . He was no more productive than Brent ing Barry. You long time Spurs fans (like me) hump this dude for no reason even after he stole our style and everything and gave it to the Mavs. So we reward his ty play and theft by retiring his number.

    Yeah real classy.

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    I hate ignorant people from America, not America!

    Guess what.... i hate ignorant people from elsewhere too!

    And i dont like timvp any more than others... i just like the part of him owning you in every second thread on ST.
    so then youre with smeagol


    are you against the 2nd ammendment too?

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    I hate ignorant people from America, not America!

    Guess what.... i hate ignorant people from elsewhere too!

    And i dont like timvp any more than others... i just like the part of him owning you in every second thread on ST.

    The funny thing is you run of the mill Euros don't have a clue why you are offensive to my American sensibilities...while I know exactly why I am offensive to you...and derive great pleasure from it.

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    The funny thing is you run of the mill Euros don't have a clue why you are offensive to my American sensibilities...while I know exactly why I am offensive to you...and derive great pleasure from it.
    And fellow Americans who don't like fitting the stereotype can only shake their heads, look skyward and say, "Why? Why? Why do you do this?", asking <Insert deity> for a reason that idiots like you are allowed to communicate.

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    so then youre with smeagol


    are you against the 2nd ammendment too?
    dont know what smeagol is saying about whott or anything (remember his nickname but not what he writes)

    2nd ammendment? that crap about every person be allowed to have weapons?

    yeah... i believe that is simply re ed law

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    But I thought it was Mario Elie's leadership and Stephen Jackson's leadership that made a solid core into a championship winner. Now you're saying that a solid core with 3 (or 4) key returning players and a guy who hits big shots is actually enough.

    Which of those is your argument?

    I'm saying Robert Horry, Mario Elie and Stephen Jackson could all hit shots...


    While AJ couldn't hit hte ing side of a barn...no matter how much of a ing bossy annoying know it all he was..er is.

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    And fellow Americans who don't like fitting the stereotype can only shake their heads, look skyward and say, "Why? Why? Why do you do this?", asking <Insert deity> for a reason that idiots like you are allowed to communicate.

    And I'd say you have no idea who founded this country...I promise you, it wasn't a bunch of guys sucking s...

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    The funny thing is you run of the mill Euros don't have a clue why you are offensive to my American sensibilities...while I know exactly why I am offensive to you...and derive great pleasure from it.
    What.... im offensive if i dont agree with anything presumably american?

    Anyways, i admit i dont know many things.... unlike you.

    Per say before i met you i never realised trailors have internet connection in USA.

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    even after he stole our style and everything and gave it to the Mavs.
    I wasn't aware that those things were trade secrets -- why is AJ a traitor, but someone like Mike Brown or P.J. Carlesimo isn't? Should A.J. have been made to never take a job in the NBA until he either got a job with the Spurs or promised to approach the game from an entirely different philosophical standpoint?

    If anything, his plaigarism of the Spurs' approach to think is suggestive of the fact that AJ has a deep respect for Pop and the Spurs' organization.

    As a compe or, he's en led to use whatever he wishes in his effort to be successful -- almost every coach in every sport has drawn his philosophical approach to his game from other coaches and organizations; almost every coach in every sport plaigarizes the things that work for other teams. It's not as if AJ is somehow the first person to ever copy a successful system and then try to beat its innovator using that system.

    The absolute last reason to contest the retirement of AJ's jersey, it seems to me, is the fact that he's coaching the Mavericks.

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    And I'd say you have no idea who founded this country...I promise you, it wasn't a bunch of guys sucking s...


    Thats funny.... even though i dont think you realise how many of most famous people in world in the past sucked on things.

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    Pssst...


    Slick, for a guy who likes to run spelling smack...might be a good idea for you to spell my name correctly...don't you dare say it's typo.
    How can I be expected to spell a non-existent word correctly? It could be whut, what, or hwat for all I know.

    Anyway...spelling smack instantly marks you as the worst kind of loser on a message board...I'd be willing to bet I have a better vocabulary and grammar skills than you, if it were put to the test, not to mention a better education...
    Where is my spelling smack? Or is this another whottt (got it right, happy?) strawman?

    I can tell by your pomous ass blog that you seem to think is cutting edge but really reads like third grade stat analysis that you are in fact...a snob with an undeservedly high opinon of his own limited analytical skills...
    The fact that you hate it only endorses its quality.

    You must feel pretty inferior if you think a message board post is indicative of formal writing ability...
    Say, will you be my analyst?

    IOW, you're a loser, it's a message board, I have a wireless keyboard, and AJ didn't have J.
    You are bad ass, my friend.

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    What.... im offensive if i dont agree with anything presumably american?

    Anyways, i admit i dont know many things.... unlike you.

    Let me tell what you don't know....

    #1. You feel inferior...main problem.
    #2. You don't realize movies aren't real.





    Per say before i met you i never realised trailors have internet connection in USA.

    Only in America babyyyyyyyy.


    What I realize is that all I have to do...is act like you, and your own hatred will begin to validate your bigoted stereotypical view of my country...

    It's like taking candy from a baby.

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    Let me tell what you don't know....

    #1. You feel inferior...main problem.
    #2. You don't realize movies aren't real.
    1# Sorry but i would need to go broke, loose my legs, get castrated and move to central Africa to feel inferior to you.

    And if you think about America in general... many countries in Europe have a much better living enviroment and standard than USA. I live in one at the moment per say.

    2# Sorry again, but i dont watch to hollywood movies.
    (few good exceptions)

    And if i would watch them and believed they were real i would really feel inferior, which i dont.

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    I'm saying Robert Horry, Mario Elie and Stephen Jackson could all hit shots...


    While AJ couldn't hit hte ing side of a barn...no matter how much of a ing bossy annoying know it all he was..er is.
    But that's an entirely different argument -- not surprisingly, I guess.

    Of course, the immediate counter is: under a minute to play on June 25, 1999 at Madison Square Garden.

    It's also useful to note, I suppose, that AJ's field goal percentage in the 1999 playoffs was better than the field goal percentages rolled up by Robert Horry in 2005, Mario Elie in 1999, and Stephen Jackson in 2003:

    FG%
    49% -- Johnson, 1999
    45% -- Horry, 2005
    41% -- Jackson, 2003
    38% -- Elie, 1999

    Now, I can hear your argument -- but AJ didn't shoot as much as those guys, so it's no wonder that he had a higher FG%. Wrong again:

    Field Goal Attempts per Game
    11.0 -- Johnson, 1999
    10.9 -- Jackson, 2003
    7.1 -- Horry, 2005
    6.6 -- Elie, 1999


    About the only thing the guys you've mentioned did more successfully than AJ was hit 3's, although in the 1999 playoffs, AJ hit 1 three pointer and Mario Elie hit a grand total of 8. Comparing AJ's numbers of threes to those rolled up by Robert Horry or Stephen Jackson is like comparing Tim Duncan's rebounding numbers to Beno Udrih's; there is something to be said for a guy who knew his limitations as a player and didn't try to do things he couldn't.

    Even without the 3's, AJ missed being out on the best scorer in that bunch by a whisker:

    Scoring Averages
    12.8 -- Jackson, 2003
    12.6 -- Johnson, 1999
    9.3 -- Horry, 2005
    7.9 -- Elie, 1999

    Given all of those truths, I'm still sure that I have no idea what you're trying to argue here.


    (cue some personal attack and then a wholly unrelated diatribe)

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