Since Elway has more career wins then anyone on your list other then Favre and you said earlier......
Then I'm calling your list nonsense and nominating you as just another Elway hater.
It's not easy going up against teams like the 80's 49ers or those loaded Giants and Redskins teams when your best options are Vance Johnson and Kenny Winder. Come on now. We could make the same argument that all Joe Montana had to do was hand it off to Roger Craig or throw it up to Jerry Rice.
I agree, but you could "would of, should of" this argument to death.
Elway led his team to zero SB wins (Terrell Davis did all the work) so the only guy that you could really dispute on that list is Marino. All those guys are bigger winners than Elway, not all of them played until they were 40.
Ummmm, Elway didn't play until he was 40...........talking out your ass.
If Elway didn't lead his team to any SB wins, then you can now shut the up about your Vince Young .
If all of those guys were bigger winners then Elway, then why does Elway have more wins then all but one of them?
Dude, the Montana argument is the only one you can put up there at this point and you're doing a piss poor job of it.
nobody even brought Vince Young up in this discussion until you did. why even mention him? the guy is in his second year and he's a winner. I in guarantee you that he'll never get his ass beat 55-10 in a Super Bowl.
Like I said, not all those guys had the longevity of Elway, along with the luxury of being able to hand the ball off for 5 months and pick up a ring - they had to earn theirs.
fault them for not having as strong of bodies, but they're all better winners, with the exception of Marino, maybe.
i'll just add that all those QB's are known for their Super Bowl heroics.....and Elway's greatest moments were comeback wins against the CLEVELAND BROWNS. enough said.
Dude, he singlehandedly led teams to a superbowl. Without Elway, there is no way in they even get to those Superbowls. They probably would not have even made the playoffs. The guy is known for having great game-winning drives. He is a winner.
Dude, I brought up VY because you are constantly talking about all that matters is wins, but then when I point out that Elway is the second winningest QB of all time, suddenly it doesn't matter. I understand that arguments are only convenient when you make them, but come the on, you can't have it both ways.
Also, there is something to be said about Elway's longevity as well, just because other QB's were injured right into retirement should say even more about the toughness of Elway who was sacked more then your mother.
Not to mention, the first year they won the super bowl with TD, Elway had a of a season throwing for 3600 yeards and a +17 TD to interception ratio.
Oh, and the "they had to earn theirs" thing, that was priceless by the way. Because none of those other quarterbacks had any other talent on their teams besides the QB themselves. , I remember Aikman throwing the ball deep, running down field, catching his own pass, blocking for himself, and scoring on the way to another super bowl.
You're an idiot.
He could out-duel Bernie Kosar. That's impressive.
you can't judge a 15+ year veteran to a guy in his second season. and good for him for getting all those regular season wins. Too bad he racked up all those Super Bowl teabaggings as well.
Dude, I brought up VY because you are constantly talking about all that matters is wins, but then when I point out that Elway is the second winningest QB of all time, suddenly it doesn't matter. I understand that arguments are only convenient when you make them, but come the on, you can't have it both ways.
Also, there is something to be said about Elway's longevity as well, just because other QB's were injured right into retirement should say even more about the toughness of Elway who was sacked more then your mother.
Not to mention, the first year they won the super bowl with TD, Elway had a of a season throwing for 3600 yeards and a +17 TD to interception ratio.
Oh, and the "they had to earn theirs" thing, that was priceless by the way. Because none of those other quarterbacks had any other talent on their teams besides the QB themselves. , I remember Aikman throwing the ball deep, running down field, catching his own pass, blocking for himself, and scoring on the way to another super bowl.
You're an idiot.
john elway was a nice QB with a great arm but the bottom line is that he couldn't get the job done and had to wait until Terrell Davis bailed him out.
Elway was a great qb. I dont consider him the best ever, but I could see how someone else could. I'll take Manning or Brady right now over just about anyone ever.
Couldn't get the job done?????????????????????????
Alright dude, I've had the QB argument with many, many people. It never ends with anyone swaying the other.
I will say though, your argument was hands down the worst.
I agree. I think when all is said and done, Manning and Brady will be the new argument over the best ever.
Again. The guy played in a tough era of football, with minimal talent. I would like to see how he could have done with guys like Michael Irvin, Jerry Rice, or a completely loaded defensive roster.
The fact is, he still won 2 superbowls, is second in all-time wins, has many high passing statistics, and did it all with minimal talent.
One game.
Enough dude, you've proven that you have no argument.
Not to mention a Super Bowl win over the great Brett Favre in his prime.
42-10
39-20
Terrell Davis
What about the other two?
Not bad to get to the Super Bowl for a 1/3 of your total career. 15 seasons, five super bowls, two super bowl wins.
Again, you can't just use statistics when they suit your argument, throw them all out there.
I did it in the VY thread and acknowledged that I lost the argument, you should do the same.
Man, those teams were also just flat out better than the Broncos. No one can deny that the Broncos really did not belong in those Superbowls, but Elway found a way to get them there. No QB could have QBed the Broncos to victories over those loaded teams.
Weak argument.
The Broncos were a lost cause until TD came and breathed new life into them. Elway was just lucky to be there when it happened.
You can't say the same about Vince Young, even when he plays bad, it's his leadership that brought that team together.
Jesus Christ you're a ing re .
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