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Place it in the proper context and I can tell you.
I'm not a mind reader.
You going to continue to avoid my question?
What torture did we do?
Fine, definate illegal actions took place and I don't deny that. Those actions still don't fit the definition of torture.
Ask McCain what torture is. He knows from experience!
Place it in the proper context and I can tell you.
I'm not a mind reader.
You going to continue to avoid my question?
What torture did we do?
You are so completely in denial about this it's laughable. Those actions listed fit the criteria you listed.
McCain: I Had It Easy
Washington, D.C. : 2005-02-08
This week this military passed down more sentences to guards from Abu Gharib in conjunction with the humiliation and abuse of prisoners. The public outcry came after photos and video leaked to the press early last year. Since then, Abu Gharib has been the most covered item in the news.
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And that's remarkable considering it was an election year, we're still at war, Iraq held elections and Oprah announced her retirement in 6 years.
Even as the military passes judgment on its own, the Senate is also prepared to open hearings into exactly how these abuses were allowed to happen.
Perhaps the most damning voice in the discussion is John McCain. McCain is certainly one of the few voices in the public debate with any first hand knowledge into the issue. McCain was held in the Hanoi Hilton, a North Vietnamese Prisoner of War Camp, for quite some time after his capture.
In an exclusive interview with btf Industries, McCain discussed his ordeal and his reaction to the Abu Gharib photos.
“Let me just be straight forward with you,” lisped a lop-sided McCain, “compared to Abu Gharib, I had it easy.”
Long known as cruel captors, it seems unlikely that the Communist North Vietnamese would be less vicious than America 's finest, but McCain insisted.
“Sure, I was beaten and starved. Sure, I saw my friends executed and beaten to death. Sure, I felt like I would never survive my ordeal. But I never, never, had to watch female soldiers parade around in their underwear. I was never, never, forced to watch sexual intercourse between two consenting adults. My captors violated many of the rules of war, but they never stacked American prisoners in a pyramid or made us simulate sexual acts.”
As McCain recalled the sadness of seeing his comrades killed in Vietnam he was visibly saddened. But when discussed the horrors and abuses at Abu Gharib he was overcome by a sort of righteous anger.
He continued, “Even the terrorists have more respect for human dignity than our troops. When they capture someone, you don't see them humiliate them. Sure, they cut off heads with dull knives, assassinate civilians and hide behind women and children, but they have yet to sink to the level of mocking their prisoners.”
While McCain may be the only voice with personal experience, he's not alone in his views. The senate appears poised to deal harshly in its oversight of American military affairs
But whatever the senate resolves to do, nothing will be more effective than the words of one of America 's last great heroes.
“My time in Vietnam was . But I would rather be in the hands of the Vietnamese than America 's sexual deviants any day of the week. I may not survive, but at least no one would see me naked.”
Hardly.
Come on, that's funny!!
What is a reputable source? The ones making the allegations are by and large Iraqi civilians and a small handful of ex-military personnel. Are those reputable sources to you? You can read what those people have to say online in the numerous news articles I alluded to earlier (they are not hard to find if you've ever heard of Google.com). But something tells me that you'll either not trust the people making the allegations, or question whether the actions were torture or just a few bad apples breaking the law.
Of course they do. You made the mistake of defining torture. And now you can't accept that it happened.
puring acid on flesh qualifies as torture?
That's a fraternity prank.
OK, If you believe BTF Industries...
I suppose you believe these stories from BTF Industries too:
John Kerry Claims He Endorsed Bush :
However, about 7 minutes into Kerry's speech, Kerry shocked supporters and eager reporters by announcing his endorsement of George W Bush for President.
“I've said all along,” Kerry droned, “that George W. Bush would be the next president of the United State of America . My position has never wavered. When I went into the voting booth yesterday, I pulled a lever for Bush.”
Dan Rather Arrested in Brawl
In a small town along the Canada-US border, Dan Rather sits in an 8 x 8 cell. This once proud figure in American media and culture seems to have hit “rock-bottom”, a term he claims to have coined, along with, “What's good for the goose is good for the gander” and “I know you are, but what am I?”
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According to a local police spokesman, Rather was arrested in a local tavern and has been charged with attempted murder, aggravated assault and disturbing the peace. In a prepared statement, Lt. Jack Jennings recounted the arrest. “The suspect, Mr. Rather, was seen sitting at the bar downing shots of gin and muttering under his breath about some vast right wing conspiracy and how the Fresh Prince of Bel Air is getting better ratings in New York City that his nightly newscast. When another patron approached Mr. Rather to make sure he was OK, Mr. Rather grabbed a chair, screamed ‘I'll disenfranchise you' and crushed it over the man's head. A brawl ensued. Right now we're investigating Mr. Rather's claim that the man he assaulted had in his possession proof that George W. Bush went AWOL during his term with the Air National Guard.”
Government to Blame All Deaths on Smoking
Put down that cigarette, kids, it might just kill you.
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Today in the nation's capital, Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson announced that in an effort to discourage teens from smoking the US Government would begin listing smoking or tobacco related illness as the cause for all deaths in America .
“It's time to do something drastic,” Thompson said in a prepared statement announcing the new Initiative, “Each day more children and teens begin smoking. Our warnings aren't being heard. Instead, children and teens are following the examples of their parents, or copying habits they've seen on television and in the movies. So, for the first time, the Department of Health and Human Services, with the approval of President Bush, will definitively say that smoking or tobacco related illness will kill every American... because it's going to be the stated cause of death for every American that dies beginning January 1, 2006.
I'll take "Missing the Point" for 500, Alex.
There's fear and pain, and then there's excruciating pain and terror!
Different standards!
Well, I guess maybe pussies think otherwise...
Internets tough guy!
You pour acid on your skin every day to exfoliate, but not really because exfoliation is gay.
I don't care what anyone says, I love this forum.
The acid from a light stick is pretty weak stuff anyway, probably irritating at best. I've have had 13.5 PH KOH (potassium hydroxide) on me several times. That stuff flat out eats the skin! Hurts like if you don't rinse it off fast. Interesting stuff. It feels real slippery, but its not. It is the skin dissolving!
OK, I'll bite...
I don't care what anyone says, I love this forum.
Who are you laughing at?
So what have you had shoved up your asshole?
A telephone pole?
Cannot say I've experienced such a thing. However, it still isn't torture. Wrong, perverted, illegal, yes! Torture, no.
The threshold of torture should be explicitly defined as the point at which an action inflicts greater pain or terror than those which the US has carried out so far. That would clear up these issues entirely.
Check, check and check.
Your idea of excruciating pain and terror must fall a bit short of what it really means. I'll bet you think a paper cut is excruciating pain too?
Tell me exactly what you have been sodomized with, who did it and how it made you feel.
You just compared a pole up the ass to a paper cut and you're wondering what I was laughing at.
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