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Ron Paul is Jimmy Carter...
You can't have a man that's a complete literalist when it comes to ideals, running a country...
Just doesn't work...
Probably is a good man...maybe the most honest...that doesn't mean he should be the President.
if guillani wins, the blind is virtually leading the blind (giullani)
Ron Paul is Jimmy Carter...
You can't have a man that's a complete literalist when it comes to ideals, running a country...
Just doesn't work...
Probably is a good man...maybe the most honest...that doesn't mean he should be the President.
Anyway after watching...I just have this to say...
If I decide to vote pull out...I'll vote Democrat. I am agree with the Democrats on just about everything except the war, and the war is the only thing keeping me voting Republican.
I am pro-abortion.
I am pro-alternative energy.
Pro stem cell.
I could care less if gays have the rights to get married.
I have no idea what the parties stances are on illegal immigration, but I'm definitely in favor of being more hardline with it.
The only stance I have that keeps me voting Republican right now, is the war, and the fact that Paul seems to be a straight republican except when it comes to the War...it's just not my world view.
We have to clean up the middle east. It's not our mess...nontheless it is our problem.
You have a culture created by centuries of interference, of colonial practice, based in a region of the world with tremendously limited agricultural resource, with bounding population growth...
That embraces the absolute most base views of humanity...
Racism, facsism, xenophobia, religious fanatacism...
They have the most primitive governments in existence...
They have just about the most primitive stances on civil rights and liberties in existence...
They have become a largely primitive backwards and brutal culture...except when it comes to weaponry, and they are about to possess the most powerful weapons in existence. And they are our superiors when it comes to desperation...
Those Kings have to go....those strict religious leaders have to go...and they need to be brought into the 21st century.
Because yes...one crazy guy with connections to a government with nuclear tech...can end the world.
And we have to be the ones that stop it.
I don't care if we went over there for Oil.
I don't care if it's expensive.
I don't care whose fault it was that it became that way.
It's something that needs to be done...
An end to Kings and tyrants....illequipped to rule in this world, over populations of hundreds of millions of people....posessing the technology to completely alter the worlds environment and economy, with just a push of a button.
It's got to be stopped...it is a situation that was created by greed, racism and ethnocentricity...and if those that same concepts can be used to end it...I call that poetic justice.
I want us there to the end(barring a civil war)...and I hope all our anti-wars show the same fervor in pressuring our government to put in decent government and infrastructure, that they have in protesting this war.
Last edited by whottt; 10-09-2007 at 11:33 PM.
Thats the thing....the greed, racism, stupid reasons for war are not going to allow it to end its just going to propagate it in the long run
Considering what we know now about the 03 condition of Saddam's Iraq and the drive up to the war, I don't know if we can seriously salvage Iraq on our own.....for one, there aren't enough troops in Iraq yet, and we have about 300,000 troops and private contractors there already...our military is at capacity. Just this week military officials acknowledged it would take 3 years to rebuild and replenish our military, and that's if troops levels went down by next summer...and to make things worse, Afghanistan is heating up again...and Pakistan has surrendered part of it's land as a Terra haven...
Not if the anti-wars hold the current administration accountable for their publicly stated goals at the time of entering into the war.
That's where their political connect point is with the moderate Americans...and it's one they completely keep overlooking by taking an extremist stance.
That should be the focus...
Let's face it...because this war was wrongly politicized
Democrat = Antiwar
Republican = Prowar
No other stance really matters...
Rather than seeing Democrats give up their Democratic iden y and seek out an Antiwar-Republican...I'd rather see them stay Democrats and ensure that the end result of this war in the Middle East...is a liberalized Middle East.
That's how they can help...
But what happened was...the guys took us into Iraq, might be due to greed, but there's no doubt the decision to go in, could have a longterm beneficial impact on the Middle East...
But anyway...the right took us in...and the left, instead of being the voice of reason, and guiding us back to the middle, took a proportionately extreme step to the left...which was stupid, and left Americans voting for the bad guys over the stupid ones. Which was the correct decision.
Once the Bush admin took us into Iraq, we had no choice but to finish the war, right or wrong. It's ideologically wrong for us to pull out now, as well as irresponsible, you can criticize that initial decision to go into Iraq all you want, and have a very strong case for it...
But you can't make the decision to go into Iraq, go away.
First Democrat that says he's commited to spreading the true ideals of the United States into the Middle East...is the guy that has my vote.
But instead...it's become the demarckation point for the two parties.
There is no way we can undo the decision to go into Iraq, and attempting it, only keeps the most warlike and backwards segments of our leadership in power.
Like I have always said...you can pile all the evils onto the Bush admin that you want....but that's really not the point, they still come off as smarter than the Democratic leadership...that is the point.
in other news, Hitlary seems like your candidate Whott, pro-military, triangulation, won't rule out bombing Iran, or pulling out of Iraq within 3 years....centrists.....
..in fact, she's so centrist, the winner of tonight's GOP debate was Hitlary....
Then you guys better start coming up with ways to win it...instead of coming up with ways to lose it...the more you preach losing it, the longer you will stay out of power...the longer the many otherwise progressive stances of the Democratic Party...will be forgotten, and this country will continue to move backwards.
Stop trying to lose this war...we have to win it.
Hilary's buttugly...she's not going to win jack because she's an ugly woman.
What is victory in Iraq Whott? beating our collective heads against a long-dead horse won't do anything now but get more of our troops killed.. It's that ole catch-22 that will kill ya....how can you be part of the solution if you are part of the problem?
Hillary could improve her chance if she didn't always come across as 'scolding' people. I heard one time a caller mentioning what his five year old child said, and it rings so true. It went something like this:
"My five year old asked me how could anyone like her. She's always scolding people."
Oh well, we all know the democrats think they are the nations parent. I guess that's why they are always scolding their children.
Hillary, like her hubby, Bill, will say whatever you want to
hear. She is what she is a socialist, bordering on being
Communist. Anyone who thinks differently really doesn't
observe her in action.
Like her new proposal for "giving" people money. Like the
government has a job and earns money. All the money
she is going to give away comes from one source and one
source only. Taxes. Of course she throws in the envy
card, tax those damn rich guys. Those poor suckers
according to the dimm-o-craps are going to pay for
everything, except maybe their own debts.
God help us if she is elected. Because only God could
help us. With the Clinton attack machine back in
the power seat no one would dare go against her and
Soros. They will spend time, money and effort to
destroy anyone who opposes them.
While I competely agree with your entire post, this last paragraph...
You could subsitute "Clinton" with "Bush" from 2000-2006. He isnt so invincible anymore, but thats the nature of your last year+ in office.
i agree with Whottt on many issues, except the Kings have us in their pocket. that rule will not change. we owe it to Iraq to make things right, but we're not capable.
ray, ummm duh.
WC, can you please dig up a fresh story?
"no one would dare go against her and
Soros. They will spend time, money and effort to
destroy anyone who opposes them."
... exactly like Nixon/Colson/Prussians, Bush/A er, dubya/Rove/Delay/swift-boat.
hard-nosed, smash-mouth, attack dirty politics (sorry, that's redundant) only requires God's saving intervention when it comes from the non-right.
XZ, go take you meds and go back to bed.
I expect Julie yawny to campaign personally as nastily as he is, but will he find the nasty enough people to run his campaign?
Whottt: too bad Katherine Harris isn't running for president, I'd vote her in for her s alone.
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