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Well, they are recalling their ambassador to the US for 10 days.
They're pissed.
imo the americans shouldve just continued the assault on AQ in afghanistan and pakistan, seriously its more easier to identiy the difference from a paki to a AQ/Taliban...
Well, they are recalling their ambassador to the US for 10 days.
They're pissed.
Has anyone heard why our most wonderful Congress did
this. At who's urging. I haven't read or heard why.
The US is getting involved because the Armenian Americans are trying to show their politcal power. I don't think there is even a resolution every passed in the Congress condemning Germany for the Holocaust, or Cambodia for the Genocide there. From growing up in Southern California, where there is a sizable Armenian Community, there was always some sort of attack on the Turkish Consulate, or Turkish Banks.
However, Turkey has taken a very hard-line approach to all this for years. There should be some sort of reconciliation, or something to try to come to a consensus. It wasn't Turkey that the genocide happened but the Ottoman Empire, which remnants of the Quagmire in Iraq are still playing a part, given they used the Sunni Arabs to run the place back then as well.
In addition to bringing in our vehicles overland to Iraq, I read elsewhere today that 1/3 of the gasoline and diesel that our troops need comes in through Turkey, and 70% of the supplies flown in for our folks either pass over Turkish airspace or land at our base in Incirlik on their journey. I want to get out of Iraq, but cutting off supplies will not make an organized and safe re-deployment.
The Turks must eventually come to grips with their ancestor's behavior, and the Armenians really have a point, but now is not the time. Political payback must wait as well, while we focus on the problems of U.S., Iraq and the region.
Check out this statement from Cheney regarding Turkey's preemptive strike...
Linky"The United States will not use force in all cases to preempt emerging threats, nor should nations use preemption as a pretext for aggression. Yet in an age where the enemies of civilization openly and actively seek the world’s most destructive technologies, the United States cannot remain idle while dangers gather. We will always proceed deliberately, weighing the consequences of our actions."
Doh!
Yeah, like exposing intelligence sources prematurely to promote more war...
Plame's Iden y Marked As Secret
Memo Central to Probe Of Leak Was Written By State Dept. Analyst
By Walter Pincus and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, July 21, 2005; Page A01
[QUOTE]A classified State Department memorandum central to a federal leak investigation contained information about CIA officer Valerie Plame in a paragraph marked "(S)" for secret, a clear indication that any Bush administration official who read it should have been aware the information was classified, according to current and former government officials.
Plame -- who is referred to by her married name, Valerie Wilson, in the memo -- is mentioned in the second paragraph of the three-page do ent, which was written on June 10, 2003, by an analyst in the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), according to a source who described the memo to The Washington Post.
The paragraph identifying her as the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV was clearly marked to show that it contained classified material at the "secret" level, two sources said. The CIA classifies as "secret" the names of officers whose iden ies are covert, according to former senior agency officials.
Anyone reading that paragraph should have been aware that it contained secret information, though that designation was not specifically attached to Plame's name and did not describe her status as covert, the sources said. It is a federal crime, punishable by up to 10 years in prison, for a federal official to knowingly disclose the iden y of a covert CIA official if the person knows the government is trying to keep it secret.
Washington Post
But don't worry, another Neo-con jumped on this intelligence leak knife....
Well, this is one way to stop the war.....
By BRIAN KNOWLTON
WASHINGTON, Oct. 14 —NY TimesThe House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, insisted today that she would bring to a vote a resolution condemning the mass killings of Armenians in Turkey nearly a century ago as genocide, even as a Turkish general warned that this could cause lasting damage to a military relationship crucial to American forces in Iraq.
A House committee on Wednesday approved the nonbinding resolution declaring the killings, which began in 1915, , as genocide, and Ms. Pelosi, the California Democrat, reiterated today that “I’ve said if it passed the committee that we would bring it to the floor.”
But in Ankara, the Turkish military chief, Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, said that if the full House passes the resolution, “our military relations with the United States can never be the same,” Reuters reported. “The U.S. shot its own foot,” he told the Turkish newspaper Milliyet.
General Buyukanit’s comment came just days after Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan cautioned that bilateral relations with the United States, a key partner in NATO, were endangered. Turkey has recalled its ambassador from Washington for consultations
If Congress wants to get though with Turkey, the Pelosi needs to quit spinning this by using the Armenian genocide.....Turkey, like Iran is s ing Kurd villages....
Turkey S s Iraq Border Areas Amid Incursion Talk
ARBIL, Iraq (AFP) —LinkTurkish troops Sunday sent s s crashing across the Iraqi border into several villages in the autonomous Kurdish region, officials said, as Ankara prepared to ask MPs to approve a ground incursion.
Residents of a village near the northern Iraq border town of Zakhu fled after s s slammed into their homes and farms during a day-long bombardment that caused major damage but no casualties, Kurdistan regional government spokesman Jamal Abdullah told AFP.
"From this morning until early evening there was a Turkish attack on villagers near Zakhu," Abdullah said. "There were no casualties but lots of damage and many families fled to safer areas."
An army officer had earlier told AFP on condition of anonymity that cross-border s ing in a number of areas began Saturday around 10:00 pm (1900 GMT) and carried on sporadically into Sunday. Most of the s s landed in open land, he added.
A witness said the s s hit around villages in the Al-Amadiyah area about 15 kilometres (nine miles) from the frontier and 50 kilometres northeast of the town of Dohuk.
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday that he was ready to brave international censure should his country decide to deal ruthlessly with Kurdish rebel bases in Iraq.
A government bill seeking the go-ahead to launch an incursion any time in the next year is expected to be submitted to parliament after a cabinet meeting on Monday.
This is a disgrace that our congress would condemn a government that had nothing to do with their past. This goes beyond condemning us for our past transgressions because we are still the same government under the same laws. Turkey of the past is not the same Turkey of today in that regard. They are effectively a different nation. This government of Turkey established in 1923 has nothing to do with the past government, part of the Ottoman Empire, and the Armenians Genocide.Turkey and the United States are NATO allies, but ties have also been tense over a U.S. congressional bill that would label the mass killings of Armenians by Turks around the time of World War I as genocide. President Bush strongly urged Congress to reject the bill, saying it would do "great harm" to U.S.-Turkish relations.
The democrats are just fanning the flames to lose out supply lines for the troops in my opinion.
ing traitors!
You guys use that word so much it has lost its meaning.
....traitors is so last week, It's Move-on.org, George Soros, Nanci Pelosi..traitors....
So what would you call them for fanning the flames?
Are they ignorant of the facts? If so should they be in congress?
These are intelligent people. They know what they are doing. If not, they should be removed from office for incompetence. They only answer I see is that they are intentionally harming our relations. This is scandalous at the least. I find no pleasure in calling them traitors, but that's exactly how I feel.
Those of you who like the democrats, what are they? Ignorant or troublemakers?
I feel exactly the same way about the Bush administration.
feeling that way makes you a traitor, so.......there, take that!
Dan, the second article you posted is very biased. Where is says:
This is part of the other thread where I gave the complete transcript. These quotes refers to all the leaders in the legislative and executive branch. Not the president alone. In fact, we never singles the president out. When you read the whole thing, it becomes obvious that he blames the media and congress the most. These snippets are cherry picking to make the message wrong.“There was been a glaring and unfortunate display of incompetent strategic leadership within our national leaders,” he said, adding later in his remarks that civilian officials have been “derelict in their duties” and guilty of a “lust for power.”
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In this case it absolutely fits. Nancy knows exactly what
she and her Congress is doing. WC is correct on all counts.
She wants to support the troops some more and cut off
that supply route. She is a damn traitor in every sense of
the word.
Sanchez blames others too, therefore Bush is blameless.
No problem right CD, Nancy girl is your type of gal.
Supports your ideas and you her's. You all make a
nice pair. Mr. and Mrs. I support the troops, just don't
support their mission. Yeah, right!
I said she was stupid, dummy. Not my fault you can't read.
Bush is ultimately responsible for everything that has gone wrong in Iraq.
That's where the buck stops.
All the more reason turkey's political busybodies should not get their panties in a wad over this and realize its a goal being pursed for purely domestic reasons.
Which they undoubtedly realize....
Its just a faction of turkey's general population that most likely is being truly outraged over this. Not the leaders.
therefore
We can assume this withdrawing of ambassadors is done for purely domestic reasons as well.
The know-it-alls within each country's political factions know what is up. I don't see any real threat here until more develops. They probably will still attack the PKK bases more but they've been doing that since like 2004.
She's no Katherine Harris
And by that I mean she doesn't possess huge shapely juicy double D breasts
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No. I left out the word 'alone'. I corrected it.
President Bush was not singled out, but is the head of the executive branch. Sanchez never quantified a level of blame on our president, but we all know he is far from perfect!
Did you read the transcript by chance?
Absolutely wrong. He is not God and has no control over the traitorous voices in congress that embolden the enemy to keep killing our souldiers! The media is gulity of supporting the enemy in such ways too.
The only he could be responsible for everything would be if he was the sole dictorial presence of this nation.
So Bush supports the "Resolution"? I don't think so.
You have a funny way of twisting to: it's Bush fault.
Now Putin is endorsing Iran's nukuler program.
Bush is the biggest foreign relations up to ever live.
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