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Barry's applause and exhortations from the bench have been key.
Barry has been a true professional in his tenure here and has performed well in many cases. However, his pay is out of balance with his role on the team and in a youth movement would be the most expandable player at this time. If Udoka works out, I would put Finley at the same level of expendability; his deal is smaller but it seems his game is deteriorating more quickly.
It's not Barry's fault he gets paid so much, he took less than market value to come here.
It's also not Barry's fault that pop would rather 5 hustling d playing chokers over 1 non hustling guy who is a legitimate shooter and the most efficient offensive player on the team.
The impact of Barry has never been appreciated by Spurs fans...
The same Spurs fans that can't tell the difference between a non choker and Matt Bonner.
Barry's applause and exhortations from the bench have been key.
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I'll grant you all that, and still say Barry is expendable.
Why would I?
he needs to pick up the mack brown clap.
That remains to be seen...
Hopefully, you're right.
Last years road to the le was easy...thanks to Horry, and Nelly.
Other than that...it wasn't that long ago that our season lived and died based on our shooters and the threat they presented...and it still might in any typical year.
And I hate to tell you guys this...but Bonner isn't the answer there...
I've watched him choke more shots in 3/4ths of a season than Porter, Smitty, Ferry and Hedo in their Spurs careers combined.
I rather AJ take a 3 with the game on the line than Bonner.
Why are we comparing Barry with Bonner? That's not who he has been competing with for PT.
False...Bonner is on this team because he can shoot the 3 and make Duncan's job easier...he does it at the PF spot which is a trait coveted by the Spurs, but nontheless, his job is to make Duncan's job easier and get bodies off him, just like Barry's.
Finley's done btw...that comparison isn't even close anymore...it wasn't for 90% of last season either.
As for Barry VS Udoka...Udoka will no doubt win that battle whether he hits a 3 all season...or not.
Ha.
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Yes, I like that, unlike yourself.
I just might tonight.
Blow things up? Signing Udoka is blowing things up?
Where was the Barry opt-out? Where was the letting go of Horry and Bowen? Where was the Cavs winning in 5 because Bowen would get owned by LeBron?
Did anything you say during the last five months of the season actually come true? Anything?
That was random. The Spurs overrated his value so they traded him for nothing?
That doesn't make sense.
I don't think you could group timvp with those people since timvp targeted Udoka before the free agent signing period began.
While you were figuring out way for the Spurs to dump Barry, Bowen and Horry, timvp was locating a cheap, under the radar gem that could blossom under Pop.
Guess all your whining was fruitless . . .
"Bowen is going to get owned.....flat out owned by LeBron." -- whottt
Nice take you had. Spurs expert for sure
Welcome to four months ago when I first pointed that out.
But how do the Spurs beat the Cavs? Didn't they beat the Spurs in 5?
Buck Harvey AKA The Spurs Mouthpiece all but admitted in this article that the Spurs were going to go with The 2008 Plan. You, along with other naive Spurs fans, said there was never such a plan.
Not only did you get owned there, you go owned when you made up all those opt-out clauses that either didn't exist or the Spurs didn't enact. Nice job.
Oh and don't forget the ongoing ownage in which your last ditch hope in proving the Spurs were going to make a major move this summer is pointing to the guy timvp originally pointed out who ended up signing for less money than Jacque Vaughn.
Let's sum up :
Ludden said : "there is a 2008 plan".
I said after that "the 2008 plan is BS. You can't say there is a 2008 plan when you look at facts."
Harvey said one year after : "there is a 2008 plan".
Harvey saying the same thing and with some CBA mistakes than Ludden brings nothing new. You can say "apology accepted" as much as you want but this article doesn't prove that you were right or wrong.
You think Harvey is smart enough to come up with that on his own?The Spurs then saw their payroll as a godsend. In the summer of 2008 they were to have only three significant contracts on their books, and those three guys were worth keeping. Adding a fourth, a young free agent, gave the Spurs hope.
It's obvious that The 2008 Plan existed at one point. The only way you can believe it never existed is if you believe it was a coincidence that the Spurs were lining up all their contracts to end during the same summer ... and on top of that their media mouthpieces are lying when they talk about what the Spurs were thinking.
The Spurs saved themselves from themselves by winning the championship in a dominating fashion. If they would have lost, the Spurs would be aiming toward the summer of 2008 as the summer where they can rebuild. If you don't want to believe timvp's takes from over a year ago pointing that out, you can read this article and see the same thing.
He is just saying what Ludden said one year ago.
The same summer where they offered a 4 years contract to Przybilla...
Pop has too said last year, before that Spurs won the championship, that Bonner would be a long term Spurs. So he was ready to re-sign Bonner even if it hurt the "2008 plan".
I think that Spurs lied sometimes to their media mouthpieces.
The 2008 plan has just been created to only give 2 years contract to butler and Elson.
The plan certainly existed last January or so when the Spurs were circling the porcelain bowl and the front office was wondering how soon they could get rid of Bowen. The potential move to acquire Maggette was put on hold in no small part due to that.
Speaking of which, Maggette will be totally free this summer. With Barry coming off the books and Finley's contract up, there will be yet another opening, or maybe two, at the swing spot. Does anybody feel the Spurs should pursue that option again?
So Harvey, Ludden and timvp are wrong?
Who knows what the real issue was with Przybilla. Perhaps they thought he was good enough to forfeit The 2008 Plan. Perhaps they were doing his agent or the player a favor in helping their raise the market value. The Spurs didn't offer anywhere close to what Przybilla eventually got. So it wasn't like they went all out for him.
And regarding Bonner, Pop said he hoped Bonner would be around for a long time. He said the same type things about Hedo and SJax in the past. Telling a player you want them to be around for a long time is a way to make them play calmer and with less pressure. It's not actual contract negotiations.
So timvp was wrong and the Spurs lied to their two mouthpieces? Where is another example of the Spurs lying to their mouthpieces?
When the two options are 1) timvp was right, as confirmed by both Ludden and Harvey 2) timvp was wrong, the Spurs lied to their mouthpieces before and after the fact. The Spurs also made sure that their lies perfectly lined up with what timvp was saying for the last two years. On top of that, it was all one big coincidence that all the contracts were expiring in the same year. Not to mention that it was the same summer in which numerous free agents happened to hit the market.
I guess you can believe the jumped web of option number two but doesn't number one seem a whole lot more likely?
Raising Przybilla market value makes no sense. He didn't need to raise his market value because Blazers offer was the maw allowed (full MLE).
And Przybilla was good enough o break the 2008 plan but not good enough to get a 5 years contract. Very logical.
Spurs tried to re-sign Jax and Hedo destroyed himself during the playoffs. Pop (and PJ) saying that they wanted to keep Bonner likely means that they wanted to keep Bonner.
Malik Rose trade.
What other players than Elson and Butler have been the length of their contract determined by the 2008 plan ?
No...they won a championship, of course they're not going to blow that up...although he did address a weakness.
Wasn't one...I was wrong. I also never claimed for certain there was one.Where was the Barry opt-out?
At the time Horry was saying he was retiring, and Bowen ended up with his best playoff run yet...and Horry was pretty influential in that le.Where was the letting go of Horry and Bowen?
If we hadn't won? If we had been say, bounced by the Mavs? Or worse? There would have been a blow up.
Where was the Cavs winning in 5 because Bowen would get owned by LeBron?
Bruce played the series of his life...and owned LeBron...I was happily wrong about that...I might add, I'm even happier they didn't try to guard LeBron with Finley.
Hmmm...Did anything you say during the last five months of the season actually come true? Anything?
That was random. The Spurs overrated his value so they traded him for nothing?
That doesn't make sense.
Hmmm...
They thought they'd be able to get more for him than they eventually did...so did we all, wasn't that hard to understand what I said.
I don't think you could group timvp with those people since timvp targeted Udoka before the free agent signing period began.
hmmm....
You were also complaining about the Spurs putting $$ in front of winning the entire time...While you were figuring out way for the Spurs to dump Barry, Bowen and Horry, timvp was locating a cheap, under the radar gem that could blossom under Pop.
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Gladly I was wrong..."Bowen is going to get owned.....flat out owned by LeBron." -- whottt
Nice take you had. Spurs expert for sure
Pop stopped trying to use Finley as a PF...just in the nick of time.
But how do the Spurs beat the Cavs? Didn't they beat the Spurs in 5?
I said the Spurs had options....they did, hence, now.Buck Harvey AKA The Spurs Mouthpiece all but admitted in this article that the Spurs were going to go with The 2008 Plan. You, along with other naive Spurs fans, said there was never such a plan.
Hmmmm....I never claimed to know for certain Barry had an opt out clause...nontheless, he still could have been part of a blowup, he was and is, a valuable trade asset.Not only did you get owned there, you go owned when you made up all those opt-out clauses that either didn't exist or the Spurs didn't enact. Nice job.
Oh and don't forget the ongoing ownage in which your last ditch hope in proving the Spurs were going to make a major move this summer is pointing to the guy timvp originally pointed out who ended up signing for less money than Jacque Vaughn.
I don't think the summer turned out exactly the way the Spurs wanted...but I do think they did the best with the hand they were dealt....and I think they emphatically proved:
A. They weren't painted into any 2008 plan.
B. They were flexible.
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Przybilla could have made even more. For example, in a sign and trade.
Link to the last time the Spurs sign a free agent in which they end up out bidding everyone?
Spurs made little effort to keep SJax. Pop also compared Jackie Butler to Moses Malone. You don't think that was a coaching ploy either?
Link to an article stating that the Rose trade was done without any thought to financial implications?
How about everyone else on the team not named Tim, Manu or Tony?
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