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    Its never an issue until they play San Antonio.

    The Suns thumped the Mavericks in April last year and KT didn't even play (coaches decision).

    D'Antoni believes that putting KT in didn't stop Duncan at all and also slowed the Suns down so it was a double negative.

    Maybe he's right. Maybe a double team with Marion (if Stoudemire or Diaw was guarding him) would be more effective.
    Duncan will get his numbers regardless, but with KT, you don't have to double team him nearly as much and the Spurs don't get as good looks from the 3-point line. The Mavs are capable of beating San Antonio because Damp and Diop are servicable bigs. If you have to double Duncan most of the time, you can't beat San Antonio.

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    If he's played 30 minutes or more a game, he'll miss 30 or more games this season.

    A dependant 20-to-25 minutes would be best. Use the extra minutes to develop Tucker and/or Strawberry early in games.

    It won't happen, but it's worth saying...

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    Duncan will get his numbers regardless, but with KT, you don't have to double team him nearly as much and the Spurs don't get as good looks from the 3-point line. The Mavs are capable of beating San Antonio because Damp and Diop are servicable bigs. If you have to double Duncan most of the time, you can't beat San Antonio.
    Completely different styles of play. Mavs try to beat the Spurs at their own game.

    Thats not the Suns plan.

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    I don't worry about the Mavs. The Suns and Nash have a mental edge over the Mavs and Dirk.
    If the Suns and Mavs meet in the playoffs, I'd be inclined to pick Phoenix, but give me a ing break. The only team in Dallas' collective head is Golden State. The Suns with Amare and Nash together are 7-5 against Dallas, that's some "ownage." Dallas has won 8 out of the last 12 and the last playoff series against San Antonio. Based off of that, you could make a far more convincing case that the Mavs "own" San Antonio and are in their collective heads, and that's just ridiculous. San Antonio is more than capable of taking Dallas out in a playoff series.

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    If the Suns and Mavs meet in the playoffs, I'd be inclined to pick Phoenix, but give me a ing break. The only team in Dallas' collective head is Golden State. The Suns with Amare and Nash together are 7-5 against Dallas, that's some "ownage." Dallas has won 8 out of the last 12 and the last playoff series against San Antonio. Based off of that, you could make a far more convincing case that the Mavs "own" San Antonio and are in their collective heads, and that's just ridiculous. San Antonio is more than capable of taking Dallas out in a playoff series.
    I believe its there whether you want to admit it or not.

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    Completely different styles of play. Mavs try to beat the Spurs at their own game.

    Thats not the Suns plan.
    The Mavs force the Spurs to play small, they're pretty much the only team in the League that can do it.* They station Dirk up at the high post area, where Oberto/Nazr can't guard him, where Duncan has to come out away from the paint and where he is ill-suited to guard him, or they put Bowen on him, meaning they have nobody to guard Josh. The Mavs try to up the tempo when they play San Antonio and slow things down to a half-court pace when they play Phoenix. Dallas' strength is the versatility of their roster, and their weakness is between their ears.

    The Suns fail against the Spurs because they can't outrebound them, they don't have the usual advantage at PG because Parker matches up well with Nash, and they have no answer for Duncan.

    * I like the Udoka signing for San Antonio, I think that was made with both Howard and Dirk in mind. Bowen can only guard one of them and that frees up the other for a mismatch. With Udoka, they now have two guys that are excellent defenders. It remains to be seen if they can get away offensively with playing them together against Dallas.

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    Its there whether you want to admit it or not.
    It's not there and I don't have to concede anything. When it comes to X's and O's, I'll pick Phoenix in 7 should they meet Dallas in the playoffs, but the only team that is inside Dallas' head is the Warriors. Golden State is basically an itch they can't scratch.

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    The Mavs force the Spurs to play small, they're pretty much the only team in the League that can do it. They station Dirk up at the high post area, where Oberto/Nazr can't guard him, where Duncan has to come out away from the paint and where he is ill-suited to guard him, or they put Bowen on him, meaning they have nobody to guard Josh. The Mavs try to up the tempo when they play San Antonio and slow things down to a half-court pace when they play Phoenix. Dallas' strength is the versatility of their roster, and their weakness is between their ears.

    The Suns fail against the Spurs because they can't outrebound them, they don't have the usual advantage at PG because Parker matches up well with Nash, and they have no answer for Duncan.
    First of all, didn't the Mavs win a couple of games against the Spurs in 2006 via the free throw line on a couple of questionable calls?

    The Mavs hardly have the Spurs number.

    And secondly, Im inclined to think that you have never seen the Suns play the Spurs if you think Parker matches up well with Nash. Parker doesn't even gaurd Nash...Bowen does and Parker had a BAD outing 3 out of 6 games in their playoff matchup last year.

    And in spite of having no anwer for Duncan, the Suns still had a 2-2 series going back to Phoenix before the suspensions were handed out, so they must be doing something right.
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    Completely different styles of play. Mavs try to beat the Spurs at their own game.

    Thats not the Suns plan.
    So their plan is to lose to SA? Great plan

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    First of all, didn't the Mavs win a couple of games against the Spurs in 2006 via the free throw line on a couple of questionable calls?
    no

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    Pretty sure they did....didn't Bowen get whistled for a phantom call and Dirk was able to win the game at the line?

    Spurs fans help me out.

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    First of all, didn't the Mavs win a couple of games against the Spurs in 2006 via the free throw line on a couple of questionable calls?

    The Mavs hardly have the Spurs number.

    And secondly, Im inclined to think that you have never seen the Suns play the Spurs if you think Parker matches up well with Nash. Parker doesn't even gaurd Nash...Bowen does and Parker had a bad outing 3 out of six games last year.

    And in spite of having no anwer for Duncan, the Suns still had a 2-2 series going back to Phoenix before the suspensions were handed out, so they must be doing something right.
    I'm well aware the Suns hide Nash defensively by sticking him on Bowen. What I'm saying is that against 28 other teams, the Suns have a big advantage when it comes to the PG position. Nash's "defense" usually isn't an issue against most other teams. It is against San Antonio because they have to stick Marion on Parker instead of using him on Duncan.

    And you're seriously deluding yourself if you think the suspensions cost your team that series. You were down 20 points in the fourth quarter of Game Six with your lineup intact. I think Phoenix got a raw deal with the suspensions because it was akin to firing a guy for being one minute late to work, but that's not why they lost the series.

    As for "questionable calls" when it comes to Dallas and San Antonio, calls even out over the course of the series. I never said Dallas "owns" San Antonio or "has their number," I simply pointed out we've won 8 of the last 12 and the last playoff series. I'd trade it for a ring. ing about the refs is what losers do. Bennett Salvatore didn't rob Dallas of a le, Dwyane Wade did. Dallas matches up well against San Antonio and over the course of a game and a series questionable calls even out. San Antonio benefited from just as many "questionable" calls as Dallas did. Their Game 7 comeback would've never been possible if the refs had bothered to call all of the over-and-back violations Timmy committed while the Spurs scrapped their way back.

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    Ah yes....here it is:

    Nowitzki scored 21 of his 27 points from the foul line, including a go-ahead pair with 7.9 seconds left, and had 15 rebounds.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260513006

    And then there was the Ginobili foul which was definately a foul but very out of character.

    Luck was definatley on their side in that series.

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    Pretty sure they did....didn't Bowen get whistled for a phantom call and Dirk was able to win the game at the line?

    Spurs fans help me out.
    No. Bowen hacked Dirk at the end of Game 5 and the refs swallowed their whistles. It led to the jump ball where Terry hit Finley in the nuts. If we want to play the woulda, coulda, shoulda game, that series ends in six games if JET keeps his hands off Finley's junk. Last time I want to hear about Manu's up handing Dallas a gift.

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    I'm well aware the Suns hide Nash defensively by sticking him on Bowen. What I'm saying is that against 28 other teams, the Suns have a big advantage when it comes to the PG position. Nash's "defense" usually isn't an issue against most other teams. It is against San Antonio because they have to stick Marion on Parker instead of using him on Duncan.

    And you're seriously deluding yourself if you think the suspensions cost your team that series. You were down 20 points in the fourth quarter of Game Six with your lineup intact. I think Phoenix got a raw deal with the suspensions because it was akin to firing a guy for being one minute late to work, but that's not why they lost the series.

    As for "questionable calls" when it comes to Dallas and San Antonio, calls even out over the course of the series. I never said Dallas "owns" San Antonio or "has their number," I simply pointed out we've won 8 of the last 12 and the last playoff series. I'd trade it for a ring. ing about the refs is what losers do. Bennett Salvatore didn't rob Dallas of a le, Dwyane Wade did. Dallas matches up well against San Antonio and over the course of a game and a series questionable calls even out. San Antonio benefited from just as many "questionable" calls as Dallas did. Their Game 7 comeback would've never been possible if the refs had bothered to call all of the over-and-back violations Timmy committed while the Spurs scrapped their way back.
    I read the first line and just laughed.

    I guess that Spurs "hide" Parker by sticking Bowen on Nash.

    Dumbass. I'll attempt to read the rest now.

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    Pretty sure they did....didn't Bowen get whistled for a phantom call and Dirk was able to win the game at the line?
    Dirk won the game at the line but there was no phantom call.

    And why would you ask Spurs fans about this? Spurs fans have never seen the Spurs commit a foul ever.

    For someone who accuses others of kissing Spurs fans asses on this site, you're doing an awful lot of puckering in this thread.

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    Ah yes....here it is:

    Nowitzki scored 21 of his 27 points from the foul line, including a go-ahead pair with 7.9 seconds left, and had 15 rebounds.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260513006

    And then there was the Ginobili foul which was definately a foul but very out of character.

    Luck was definatley on their side in that series.
    As was skill and determination. If JET doesnt punch Finley in the nuts, that series ends in six games at the AAC. The Spurs were lucky to get to play a Game Seven on their court.

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    No. Bowen hacked Dirk at the end of Game 5 and the refs swallowed their whistles. It led to the jump ball where Terry hit Finley in the nuts. If we want to play the woulda, coulda, shoulda game, that series ends in six games if JET keeps his hands off Finley's junk. Last time I want to hear about Manu's up handing Dallas a gift.
    I think he was referring to game 3 but who knows. That series was so boring I doubt he watched any of it.

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    Suns are doing their part. Told ya yesterday you wouldn't see any of that eighty-something to sixty-something garbage.
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    Its never an issue until they play San Antonio.

    The Suns thumped the Mavericks in April last year and KT didn't even play (coaches decision).

    D'Antoni believes that putting KT in didn't stop Duncan at all and also slowed the Suns down so it was a double negative.

    Maybe he's right. Maybe a double team with Marion (if Stoudemire or Diaw was guarding him) would be more effective.
    People dog on the Suns for no defense but when they doubled Duncan with Jesus and whoever else a couple of those games, it did work. Maybe not all the time but I remember a good stretch one of those games when Duncan was completely shut out.

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    So what's the Suns' plan to beat SA? I have yet to hear it.

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    Dirk won the game at the line but there was no phantom call.

    And why would you ask Spurs fans about this? Spurs fans have never seen the Spurs commit a foul ever.

    For someone who accuses others of kissing Spurs fans asses on this site, you're doing an awful lot of puckering in this thread.
    Lots of good Spurs fans here, but haha, you're right. They take their cue from Timmy: palms upward, sad pleading eyes, along with the familiar refrain: "What did I do?"











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    I think he was referring to game 3 but who knows. That series was so boring I doubt he watched any of it.
    The Lakers-Suns first-round series in 2006 saved basketball and was so much better. Mavs-Spurs 2006 was more boring than a WNBA game.

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    Lots of good Spurs fans here, but haha, you're right. They take their cue from Timmy: palms upward, sad pleading eyes, along with the familiar refrain: "What did I do?"












    the signature move - SPURS PALMS UP!

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    Ok...read the rest of FinDog's garbage.

    He claims the Spurs were obviously the superior team as the Suns were down by twenty in the fourth quarter in game six in San Antonio.

    Well the Suns WON a game by twenty at home in game 2, so I don't know what your point is. The Suns aren't perfect...no one expects them to win EVERY game. They did what they had to do by winning game four in San Antonio. If those suspensions weren't handed out, the Suns might have won game five AND six as you probably would have had a better performace from the guys who were so dreary from having to play all of game 5.

    My point, again, is that they were doing something right. They still had home court advantage after four games so they put themselves in a position to win.

    Hopefully, this year there won't be any outside interference.

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