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Diamantidis is hyped up by Euro league followers but the guy looks like nothing against NBA players. I've seen him called the Greek Ron Artest ... he looks more like the Greek David Wood. He doesn't translate to the NBA game at all.
Says 6-11 on NBA.com. How does he stand next to TD(6-11) or Horry(6-10)?
Diamantidis is hyped up by Euro league followers but the guy looks like nothing against NBA players. I've seen him called the Greek Ron Artest ... he looks more like the Greek David Wood. He doesn't translate to the NBA game at all.
Damn...I guess his growth spurt ended. I was hoping for 7'2.
The number of turnovers that Pana had is indicative of players not being used to the NBA rules. When they played the Rockets they got 5 technicals. 2 for the coach yelling and 3 I think for illegal defense. The couldn't even figure out how to set up the defense and not get called for zone. I think that with some time to familiarize themselves with the NBA game, they could have done better. They set moving screens and fouled a lot because hand checking is allowed in FIBA. They had a ton of turnovers in both games. A lot of those were lane violations and defensive 3 seconds. They lost some passes too but I attribute that to the speed of the NBA which is simply a timing issue on passing the ball.
Supposedly that's why he won't come to the NBA...he knows he doesn't have the game to translate. Way too slow.
But he's kind of a freak though...he was in the top 5 in blocked shots one year....
Tonight they had a lot of turnovers on traveling. And even palming. They pretty much had every type of turnover possible.
Regarding moving screens, every NBA team is getting called for moving screens in the preseason a lot. It's because it's one of the referees points of emphasis this year.
Wich will get called the same as the old days again in February.Regarding moving screens, every NBA team is getting called for moving screens in the preseason a lot. It's because it's one of the referees points of emphasis this year
Oh a nice wrinkle Pop used was to put Udoka on the primary ballhandler and have him pressure full court. I can already see that coming into play against Nash at some point this season. Pop really didn't want to lose this game and to help break the game open, he used Udoka to disrupt their whole flow.
Udoka is going to be a such a nice fit if he can figure out the offensive side. Bowen's perfect shot selection is more noticeable when Udoka forces shots while playing in the same role in the offense.
Think that has anything to do with the PG situation?
Man...Barry's only been here for 4 years now, the difference in his game when he is getting minutes running the offense or just sitting there waiting to take a 3...is astronomical, and has been obvious to me since the first slump he had on this team.
When he's just standing around waiting to shoot a three...he's not comfortable.
However I still trust an uncomfortable Barry's shot more than just about any other guy on the team.
It's obvious that he likes playing the point...his best seasons came as a combo guard...not a spot up shooter.
And on top of that...he's the best freaking passer on the team.
He hasn't handled the ball at all in either of the first two games. I can't even think of one possession that Barry has been the main ballhandler ... or even one of the main ballhandlers.
He's just making his decisions much faster and playing free. He's playing like he doesn't care if he makes a mistake, which is how he plays best. When he's just playing loose and utilizing his natural skill, he seriously might be the best shooter in the league.
He gets in trouble when he thinks too much.
I wouldn't mind seeing a back up unit of:
PG: Barry/Manu
SG: Manu/Barry
SF: Ime
PF: Horry
C: Elson
A couple of times during the early parts of the season.
4th quarter game 3 vs Cleveland was good evidence of that.When he's just playing loose and utilizing his natural skill, he seriously might be the best shooter in the league.
Manu has been able to handle the point position pretty well. It's best when he's in with Udoka because then Udoka can guard the point and Manu can guard a wing. Manu getting point guard run is nice because when Jacque Vaughn becomes a liability on offense, it'd be nice to have another option to turn to rather than Beno.
And you've always said that...according to you Barry hasn't run the point except for the last two games of the 05 finals and I disagree with that....there are times when he runs it...for a little while every season he's done it...and he's played well whe he's done it.
And according to the paper....Manu says he and Barry are the ones picking up the slack at the point.
His first year here he started off hot, he was getting minutes at the back up point, and then Pop started going with Beno and Barry went into a slump...and it's been similar every season since.
WTFHis first year here he started off hot, he was getting minusted at the back up point, and then Pop started going with Beno and Barry went into a slump...and it's been similar every season since.
beno had the backup spot from day friggen 1.
Uh yeah, I'd tell you if Barry was bringing the ball up ... but he wasn't.
False.
I know Beno was getting the back up minutes from day 1.
thats a fact and no debating it.
In 2004-2005 Barry played 0 minutes as the PG as per 82games.com.
Code:Position Min NetPts Off Def Net48 W L Win% PG 0% -8 69.8 104.6 -34.9 0 2 0%
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Don't worry, he'll figure out a way to argue this. He always does.
We've argued over it for years now....
I don't know where the disconnect is....maybe it's if there's another PG on the court you say he isn't running the point...or maybe you look at entirerly based on how much he's brining the ball up...
Well, #1, some games he does bring the ball up, a few times, and others, he doesn't.
#2. Sometimes he calls the plays, sets them up and creates them...and we have argued over this for years now....
It's so obvious that he plays better when he gets to do that sort of thing, than the games where he just stands there and waits for the ball...
Not false...the Spurs started off that season running like mofos and Barry was the guy keying most of the runs...False.
Don't worry, he'll figure out a way to argue this. He always does.
I'm not going to argue it...I just know there are times he's more involved...not just that he involves himself more, but that the Spurs involve him more...and he plays better when he gets to do that. And it's not just him...it's the Spurs.
When he just stands around and waits for the 3...he sucks.
I think I get what your saying. Their have been glimpses of Barry heading the offense and doing PG 'things' while logged in as SG. Usually Barry finds someone open with a sweet pass or creates something for somebody and I guess it serves as some confidence for his shot because it makes his defender think twice: Is he gonna shoot it or put it on the floor/pass it, leading to a better look at a 3-ball.
The disconnect is that you try to change reality to fit into your past opinions on the matter. If Barry hits a few shots, you'll say it's because Pop was using him like Stockton. If Barry misses a few shots, you'll say it's because Pop turned him into a spot up shooter.
Same ck.
So you are already backing off the take that Barry replaced Beno as point guard?
Back on the topic, I wouldn't mind Mahinmi getting some real playing time early in the season. I'm still not convinced that he couldn't push Elson for minutes.
No...I'm saying that Barry was the guy initiating the offense and Beno was the guy standing around...
You guys can quote 82 games all you want:
Web Posted: 10/13/2007 12:37 AM CDT
Mike Monroe
San Antonio Express-News
Manu Ginobili, Brent Barry and the young camp invitees will man the point guard position for the Spurs for a second preseason game tonight.
Coach Gregg Popovich said neither starter Tony Parker (sprained ankle) nor backup Jacque Vaughn (pulled calf muscle) would play against European champion Panathinaikos at AT&T Center. Beno Udrih, the other veteran reserve point guard, is out for an extended period with a broken left index finger.
"Our three point guards are still down," said Ginobili, who started at the point in the preseason opener against Dallas on Tuesday. "So it's on me, Brent and the new guys, and we'll try to do as good a job as possible."
Ginobili likely will start again. Brent Barry, Darius Washington and Anthony Lever-Pedroza will get turns at the point as well.
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