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Torrealba is not a Red Sox. I guess Manny is being held to a different standard, and Cleveland fans haven't won in so long they forgot how to act.
I don't think the no-bunt unwritten rule would be applicable in a 1-0 game. I think that issue arises when a bunt hit isn't likely to change much other than the number of hits on the scoreboard. In a 1-0 game in the 8th or 9th, I don't think anyone would expect a great bunter to give up that weapon and respect the no-hitter.
At that, I can understand that code as well. It's about disrespecting the game, though, and not about getting someone back for injured feelings. If the Indians didn't want to get butthurt about Manny's celebration, then their pitcher shouldn't have thrown him a fat pitch to drive the other way. That Manny crushed the ball and gave his team a glimmer of hope after an inning in which they seemed to (and may ultimately have) lost their chance to win a le, it makes sense that a guy would be pretty pumped about giving his team a chance.
Nobody talks about Torrealba showing up the D'Backs by circling the bases in Game 3 of the NLCS with his right arm extended into the air. Isn't that just as demonstrative (if not moreso) as Manny's antics? Why not dot Torrealba? I'm guessing that there was no hue and cry because: (1) Torrealba's bomb gave his team the lead; (2) Torreabla was playing at home; and (3) Torrealba is, well, Yorvit Torrealba. I don't see that any of those things change the extent of the celebration or the disrespect that it might foster.
Torrealba is not a Red Sox. I guess Manny is being held to a different standard, and Cleveland fans haven't won in so long they forgot how to act.
am i the only one that noticed that he went out of his way to throw off his helmet about halfway down the third base line trying to score?
not that it surprised me that the announcers didn't mention it. a jet airline could crash in CF and Tim McCarver would still be blabbering about how great it was when guys used to throw at each other's heads...
Last edited by K-State Spur; 10-18-2007 at 08:03 PM.
My memory is fading, that situation occurred in a 2-0 perfect game bid. Is it still disrespecting the game when you bring the tying run to the plate in the 8th?
Isn't the point to win the game?
Nice home run trot on the single.
Yea I saw Manny throw off his Helmet to on his way to score. He confuses me sometimes.
and@ his long single.
Great Hustle:
It was a home run, you ing idiot.
It wasn't a HR you sucker.
It wasn't a HR you sucker.
It was a homerun, you ing re . It hit the yellow line...Are you ing blind...like the umps?
Uh, no. A ball that hits the yellow line is in play.
being able to see doesn't help when you don't know the rules. it has to CLEAR the yellow line to be a HR. some parks have different rules on this, but the ball has always had to clear the yellow line at jacobs field.
This is the rule at Jacobs Field:
Fair batted ball that travels over the yellow line on top of the outfield wall (on the fly): HOME RUN.
I don't have a problem with Manny doing his thing, but I also don't want to see these same people in this thread talking the next time another athlete shows someone up after a play.
WTF have the yellow line then? Stupid Indians...no wonder they never win anything.
The line is just to give the umps a better visual on the ball.
so that the umpires can tell where the ball is in relation to the top of the wall. a lot of those backgrounds get tricky from 100 yards away without the ability to zoom in like they do on television.
MOST stadiums that have a yellow line require the ball to clear it to be a HR. The Indians are not unique in this instance.
the umpires got it right. the ball hit the top of the wall and came back into play. no reason for complaint.
From Bill Simmons' Game 4 diary -- not a big Simmons fan, but this thought, from one of his readers, was on point and funny regarding the Manny issue:
Mark from Philly offers an inspiring defense for Manny's home run preening: "When Manny went deep, my first thought was, 'Quit posing, Manny, we're still down 7-3.' Then it dawned on me that Manny probably had no idea what the score was. In fact, he probably isn't aware that baseball games are determined by which team scores more runs. Manny's only point of differentiation comes when, after hitting a home run, he sees his teammates waiting for him at home plate -- it's at that point he knows it's time to go to the strip club."
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...simmons/071016
I like Manny. He's a spaced-out goofball playing to have fun.
With all of the crap he supposedly pulls, it's odd that he never gets the "cancer" label. Manny is closer to Chad Johnson/Gilbert Arenas than he is Terrell Owens/Dennis Rodman.
I didn't realize Manny had 24 postseason homeruns. You add that to his career 20 grandslams and he has some accomplishments only few can rival.
His OBP in this years playoff is .585. Incredible. And yet, he gets more criticism than praise.
He also is the first player to walk twice in one inning in LCS history, like he did tonight.I didn't realize Manny had 24 postseason homeruns. You add that to his career 20 grandslams and he has some accomplishments only few can rival.
Yep he broke a Yankee's record.
His OBP in this years playoff is .585. Incredible. And yet, he gets more criticism than praise.
Also tied Pete Tose's record for 15 straight games getting a hit in LCS history.
The man has a piece of just about every record in post season history.....he should get a pass on every quirky thing he does...he is that good,
I wonder if Manny enjoys you sucking his too?
Part of that is due to his era though. 1) he has played in the greatest hitter's era in the history of baseball. 2) he plays in the expanded playoff format which gives him many more games to get his records. you can say he's the greatest postseason power hitter of the past 12 years, but if given 3 rounds of playoffs, it is likely that Mantle would be uncatchable in those regards.
opportunity does not change reality
changes the amount of meaning you should put on that reality though. everything should be viewed within context.
Only you would enjoy a man sucking your .
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