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Barry is just an underrated player...
Respect...
Well it's not as bad as tony'sWell played.
Barry is just an underrated player...
Respect...
Exactly! Anyone on any day can pick their game up and help the big three. , even the big three dont have to carry the load every game. There are any number of ballers on the Spurs who can help win games. It doesnt always have to be the same players.
barbacoataco and Tpark could not disagree more
Well without Barry I doubt Spurs would have 2 les right now.
One game is a really bad reason to decide that there are no problems with his game. There are a thousand reasons to like him, but he's paid way too much money to perform as erratically as he has since he's arrived here. He was a 12-5-5 guy shooting 50 percent from the floor in Seattle. There's NO reason he shouldn't be putting up better numbers than that on this team.
One game is a really bad reason to decide that there are no problems with his game. There are a thousand reasons to like him, but he's paid way too much money to perform as erratically as he has since he's arrived here. He was a 12-5-5 guy shooting 50 percent from the floor in Seattle. There's NO reason he shouldn't be putting up better numbers than that on this team.
Agreed.
Hes putting up those numbers in preseason cause hes back to letting er fly.
If had played in the past 3 seasons like this, we would be going for a 4 peat.
I'm not saying you're right or you're wrong about Finley. My question is why do you turn to downgrading Michael Finley when you can't defend Brent Barry's numbers?
Barry is a loser on a winners team. If he didn't have the entire bench yelling at him, he would never shoot.
BFD, Barry got hurt his back and got his minutes cut, because of injury...and you don't cut him any slack...
Sounds like a bunch of excuses.
At least he was consistent...and didn't average 12 fewer PPG in the biggest games of his career...that's a ing choke.
How many of those has Finley hit in his Spurs career? 1? In the regular season? Against a decimated Laker team?
Finley is over-rated...if he was worth a he would have a le from when he played with TWO MVP's
Again, why do you immediately turn to cutting down Finley when trying to defend Brent Barry?
You're as lame as timvp with the +/- from that series....
Yeah, those stats sure get in the way of defending your hero.
Every game is a chance for Barry to turn it all around. So long as he keeps playing and shooting aggressively, anything in the past is forgiven.
Whottt has become a caricature; I'm not sure why anybody wastes any effort responding to him anymore.
Looking for an easy 2 points on my break.
whottt and T Park - both Finley and Barry have done valuable things for the Spurs. I don't know why you turned it into one vs the other.
I didn't say there were "no problems with his game", nor did I decide to start this thread on the basis of one game - I said that game "reminded me about Barry". I've always liked him and thought he cops too much crap. While in SA he's hit some big shots, but more than that he does a lot in the way of intangibles and is often a momentum changer off the bench with a timely steal or hustle play, a couple of brilliant passes or a dagger 3.
I agree that he's been overpaid, I said that in my OP, but I still think he's been a very valuable part of two championships.
Viva BB!
yeah he is the only reason they won it all
whottt and T Park - both Finley and Barry have done valuable things for the Spurs. I don't know why you turned it into one vs the other.
I merely stated facts about Brent Barry, and he brought in Finley who I defended with numbers as well.
Agreed though.
Probably for the same reason you ignore the downgrading of Barry and defend Finley...in a pro Barry thread where he was being bashed....only I'm more right when I do it.
False...
Barry is a loser on a winners team. If he didn't have the entire bench yelling at him, he would never shoot.
He would shoot even if the entire bench wasn't yelling at him.
As I said in the OP, I think Barry passing up on open shots is often because of TEAM RULES - that is, don't shoot early, take time off the clock and look for something better. He's still shot over 200 3s a season (that's at least 2 1/4 a game) each year he's been here.
Also, when the Spurs are playing poorly it often has to do with too many 3s being jacked. Many times I've seen Barry pass up a 3 because 4 out of the last 5 times down the court the Spurs missed on 3s, and he's looked to go inside instead.
He's got a high Bball IQ, and while sometimes we fans might want him to jack the 3 because we are thinking about him making it and changing the momentum of a downslide for us, he usually makes the right decision for the team's sake.
You would be wrong. pop cannot stand when barry passes up open shots.As I said in the OP, I think Barry passing up on open shots is often because of TEAM RULES
All well and good, but once again, Pop has told him thousands of times, if your open, shoot the ball.Many times I've seen Barry pass up a 3 because 4 out of the last 5 times down the court the Spurs missed on 3s, and he's looked to go inside instead.
Probably for the same reason you ignore the downgrading of Barry and defend Finley
In other words, when Im losing an arguement I have to STRREEETCH and make up bull about the guy that took his spot in the rotation.
There are two reasons, IMO:Barry was a 12-5-5 guy shooting 50 percent from the floor in Seattle. There's NO reason he shouldn't be putting up better numbers than that on this team.
1) The Spurs don't generate a ton of points, and about 60 of those come from our big three. When there are about 35 points left to score for the other players, 12 is a lot from one guy.
2) Barry wasn't playing in the kind of defensive system he plays in here. I'm not surprised when vets come to our team and their production takes a hit. I think playing in the Spurs defense is more physically demanding than the defenses of other teams.
The difference between the 03 sonics and 04 spurs offensive schemes is kind of different as well. They run and gunned with Barry leading the break and didn't play any D.
Brent's role in SA is totally different to the one he had with the sonics.
The Spurs' law for shooters: Take the shot when you are open. How much more "gun" do you need? As said before, the Spurs' offense is based on GOOD SHOTS, no matter when they occur in the shot clock. Barry passes up wide open threes, and that's why his stats suffer, both assists and points, and it has nothing to do with being winded from having to cover Iverson.
Brent's primary role on this team is to shoot. Pop has never benched him for taking too many shots. He has, however, benched him for not taking them. He's a shooter whose field goal percentage dropped when he came to play with Duncan. How many guys can say that?
1. +/- is lame when used that way.
It's not intended to be soley a measure of individual impact on a team. There are too many variables.
One guy is starting and playing with the best players on the team, while the other guy is coming in during blowouts, on both ends, and playing with the deep bench.
You can't seriously try to claim that playing extended minutes alongside Duncan and Parker makes no difference....
2. 7 games is too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions...way too small. Usually you want about a third of a regular season and a regular role before you start using it to draw early conclusions...some guys say you need 2 complete regular seasons before you can truly say a player helps or hurts a team using +/-.
For instance...I am pretty sure that Shaq was dead last in +/- for the Heat in the 2006 Finals...and the only guy in the entire series with a worse +/- was Keith Van Horn...
You want to swear by +/- when it is telling you that?
If you put me in the starting lineup of the Spurs and put Finley on the deep bench and blowout duty...I'll most likely have a better +/- than Finley.
It's not meant to be used the way people are starting to use it.....
Point taken.
However, his shooting and 3pt % has risen every year since he's been here (a result of learning his role and the offensive system?):
2004 .423 .357
2005 .452 .396
2006 .475 .446
Maybe he should jack it more than he does, and occasionally I get annoyed when he doesn't. But I really don't think it's gun-shyness. There must be a better reason for it.
When I was talking about not shooting and waiting for a better shot above, maybe sometimes it is also that the Spurs find themselves in an up-and-down style game playing the other team's pace, and Barry is under instructions to slow the game down.
Anyway, I still think he's under-rated. Forget about his shooting for a moment, it's the hustle plays, the smart passes and movement that most impress me. He came here as a shooter, but he does a lot more than that.
I hope he has a great farewell season.
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