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Yeah, him just all of a sudden finding those guys, shooting them on horses, was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
it was like they were filming and were saying "Looks like we've only got 15 mins left. Lets wrap it up, shoot them all.
Wyatt Earp
Tombstone
Both Sucked (and so does the person submitting this vote)
Yeah, those did kinda suck.
Yeah, him just all of a sudden finding those guys, shooting them on horses, was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
it was like they were filming and were saying "Looks like we've only got 15 mins left. Lets wrap it up, shoot them all.
Kevin Costner was what was so wrong with Wyatt Earp.
I appreciate the back story to Earp in Wyatt Earp, and I think you can understand Wyatt "the man" a lot better in that movie. But, Costner's portrayal of the le character is horrible.
Having said that, Hackman, Madsen, and Quaid put in some pretty damn good performances.
But, Tombstone is the superior movie by far because of it's pacing and dialogue, not to mention all the great acting by a superior cast.
I concur. Tombstone was the better movie. If I want history I too will watch The History Channel or a Ken Burns film.
I can't disagree with much of what you said Shoog...
Costner-sucked in every movie he ever did (and made alot of money doing it) unless your casting director says the role calls for dull, monotone, unattractive, and/or a stoned character.
Sam Elliott is a in stud. With a bigger role, I think Masden could have impressed but not as an ass-kicker.
Lang had alot of camera time and played the role PERFECTLY, but Fahey made you wanna find his address and knock his teeth down his throat.
Now DOC HOLLIDAY?? ...it's amazing how well both played a boozing, sickly, dangerously evil, yet witty, charming, and sensitive character? EASILY, Kilmer was the better Holliday, but I try to imagine Quaid in the same role. Better? Quite possible, but Val did the role justice and then some. That's one cool mthafkr when he puts his mind to it: THE DUEL SCENE
Powers Boothe WAS fantastic, but just the one main scene that Lewis Smith had entering the courtroom showed he could play a villainous charachter to a T makes me think about the "switching casting" example...see above.
AND THE Josie comparison? No, you're right I WON'T take a young, verile, doe-eyed, slim bodied, chisled jawed vision of perfection who's stare alone could make you over Delaney...no, YOUR'E right!
Nah, I just think I see every scene that she was in as so sexually charged that IF I HAD TO CHOOSE, that I'd CHOOSE to see her in a few hundred more scenes...significantly less clothed of course
Last edited by MrChug; 10-20-2007 at 09:12 PM.
Thanks...never looked at that part.
Doc Holliday: In Vino Veritas.
[In wine is truth. - Meaning - "When I'm drinking, I speak my mind."]
Johnny Ringo: Age Quod Agis.
[Do what you do. - Meaning - "Do what you do best."]
Doc Holliday: Credat Judaeus Apella, Non Ego. The Jew Apella may believe it, not I.
[Meaning, "Oh I don't believe drinking is what I do best."]
Johnny Ringo: Eventus Stultorum Magister.
[Events are the teachers of fools. - Meaning - "Fools have to learn by experience."]
Doc Holliday: In Pace Requiescat.
[Rest In Peace - Meaning - "It's Your Funeral!"]
just in case some of you want to know what they're saying at the bar.
Curly Bill: [takes a bill with Wyatt's signature from a customer and throws it on the faro table] Wyatt Earp, huh? I heard of you.
Ike Clanton: Listen, Mr. Kansas Law Dog. Law don't go around here. Savvy?
Wyatt Earp: I'm retired.
Curly Bill: Good. That's real good.
Ike Clanton: Yeah, that's good, Mr. Law Dog, 'cause law don't go around here.
Wyatt Earp: I heard you the first time.
[flips a card]
Wyatt Earp: Winner to the King, five hundred dollars.
Curly Bill: Shut up, Ike.
Johnny Ringo: [Ringo steps up to Doc] And you must be Doc Holliday.
Doc Holliday: That's the rumor.
Johnny Ringo: You retired too?
Doc Holliday: Not me. I'm in my prime.
Johnny Ringo: Yeah, you look it.
Doc Holliday: And you must be Ringo. Look, darling, Johnny Ringo. The deadliest pistoleer since Wild Bill, they say. What do you think, darling? Should I hate him?
Kate: You don't even know him.
Doc Holliday: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the eyes, I don't know, reminds me of... me. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him.
Wyatt Earp: [to Ringo] He's drunk.
Doc Holliday: In vino veritas.
Johnny Ringo: Age quod agis.
Doc Holliday: Credat Judaeus apella.
Johnny Ringo: [pats his gun] Ecentus stultorum magister.
Doc Holliday: [gives a Cheshire cat smile] In pace requiescat.
Tombstone Marshal Fred White: Come on boys. We don't want any trouble in here. Not in any language.
Doc Holliday: Evidently Mr. Ringo's an educated man. Now I really hate him.
CM...thanks for the stuff^^^^^
Costner-sucked in every movie he ever did (and made alot of money doing it) unless your casting director says the role calls for dull, monotone, unattractive, and/or a stoned character.
Watch Open Range. IMHO it is Costner's best western. Excellent performance by Robert Duvall also. It has more in common with Tombstone then it does with Earp or Dances with Wolves.
I'll have to agree with you here.
I know I said that I hate Costner and that he s up every movie he's been in, but I have to admit that "Open Range" is a pretty damn good movie.
I think it has more to do with Duvall and Bening, though.
Eh, Costner is not a good actor, but he's had some movies where he was decent:
Silverado
Field of Dreams
No Way Out
JFK
Field of Dreams is a good movie, but how many times can you see it without being bored?
Once.
I've never really liked "No Way Out". The sex scenes aren't bad, but the intrigue get's old.
Silverado and JFK are pretty damned good. But, once again, it has more to do with the talent around Costner in those movies.
Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Sam Elliott, Powers Boothe... No question which one was better.
To me Val Kilmer and Powers Boothe stole the show while Russell, Elliott, and Paxton were steady. Johnny Ringo wasn't a bad character either.
Well said.
Tombstone rocked, the music in Tombstone rocked, and I (along with 60 of my closest friends) got to perform the film score in Dallas' Meyerson Symphony Center under the direction of composer Bruce Broughton.
So there.
I hate Val Kilmer, I 've never thought he was a great actor
That said...
His Doc Holiday kicked ass, he probably should have won an Oscar for it...
His Doc was charismatic and just jumped off the screeen and Kilmer has never been near as good in any other movie I've seen him in.
He carried Tombstone and he alone is enough to make it the better movie...
Everyone else has mentioned all the memorable quotes...
But I remember one scene, where he was about to do some killing, and he went from being glib and smartass to just...death. His eyes just looked like these black holes....it was awesome. Not a word needed to be spoken, you could feel the change and sense the menace.
Some times actors play characters and magic just happens...like Hopkins playing Hanibal Lecter...
That's what happened when Kilmer played Doc Holiday...
Definitely Tombstone
I finally have something I can agree on with you.I hate Val Kilmer, I 've never thought he was a great actor
That said...
His Doc Holiday kicked ass, he probably should have won an Oscar for it...
His Doc was charismatic and just jumped off the screeen and Kilmer has never been near as good in any other movie I've seen him in.
He carried Tombstone and he alone is enough to make it the better movie...
Everyone else has mentioned all the memorable quotes...
But I remember one scene, where he was about to do some killing, and he went from being glib and smartass to just...death. His eyes just looked like these black holes....it was awesome. Not a word needed to be spoken, you could feel the change and sense the menace.
Some times actors play characters and magic just happens...like Hopkins playing Hanibal Lecter...
That's what happened when Kilmer played Doc Holiday...
Definitely Tombstone
Nice take.I hate Val Kilmer, I 've never thought he was a great actor
That said...
His Doc Holiday kicked ass, he probably should have won an Oscar for it...
His Doc was charismatic and just jumped off the screeen and Kilmer has never been near as good in any other movie I've seen him in.
He carried Tombstone and he alone is enough to make it the better movie...
Everyone else has mentioned all the memorable quotes...
But I remember one scene, where he was about to do some killing, and he went from being glib and smartass to just...death. His eyes just looked like these black holes....it was awesome. Not a word needed to be spoken, you could feel the change and sense the menace.
Some times actors play characters and magic just happens...like Hopkins playing Hanibal Lecter...
That's what happened when Kilmer played Doc Holiday...
Definitely Tombstone
I can't even count how many times I've watched Field of Dreams. I always watch it when it comes on TV. I never get bored watching it. No Way Out is great and one of his better movies. Dances with Wolves is pure classic. But that is just me.
couldn't have said it any better myself.I hate Val Kilmer, I 've never thought he was a great actor
That said...
His Doc Holiday kicked ass, he probably should have won an Oscar for it...
His Doc was charismatic and just jumped off the screeen and Kilmer has never been near as good in any other movie I've seen him in.
He carried Tombstone and he alone is enough to make it the better movie...
Everyone else has mentioned all the memorable quotes...
But I remember one scene, where he was about to do some killing, and he went from being glib and smartass to just...death. His eyes just looked like these black holes....it was awesome. Not a word needed to be spoken, you could feel the change and sense the menace.
Some times actors play characters and magic just happens...like Hopkins playing Hanibal Lecter...
That's what happened when Kilmer played Doc Holiday...
Definitely Tombstone
Kilmer was pretty good in the Saint though.
I agree with everything here but the Val Kilmer hatred.I hate Val Kilmer, I 've never thought he was a great actor
That said...
His Doc Holiday kicked ass, he probably should have won an Oscar for it...
His Doc was charismatic and just jumped off the screeen and Kilmer has never been near as good in any other movie I've seen him in.
He carried Tombstone and he alone is enough to make it the better movie...
Everyone else has mentioned all the memorable quotes...
But I remember one scene, where he was about to do some killing, and he went from being glib and smartass to just...death. His eyes just looked like these black holes....it was awesome. Not a word needed to be spoken, you could feel the change and sense the menace.
Some times actors play characters and magic just happens...like Hopkins playing Hanibal Lecter...
That's what happened when Kilmer played Doc Holiday...
Definitely Tombstone
he was hilarious in that movie because it was so ridiculous. he was awesome in kiss kiss bang bang and the salton sea, though.
I loved Wyatt Earp. Is Kevin Coster good? No. But the movie as a whole entertained me. I don't need that impresses a 5 yr old to entertain me though.
1000000000000000x time better than cheesey ass tombstone.
NO QUESTION Wyatt Earp had the better Doc Holiday. Dude looked JUST LIKE the real one.
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