Number two option: Manu or Frenchie?

[boutons]

"Dont think we will have many nights when everyone is ice cold."

how soon it's forgotten:

04 playoffs,
Spurs vs LAL:

47% vs 38% W
52% vs 51% W

and then "everyone is ice cold":

34% vs 57% L
41% vs 50% L
38% vs 43% L
30% vs 44% L

Spurs regular season: 44%

[1Parker1]

"He needs to be a stronger playmaker but has never averaged 6 assists,"

RobinsontoDuncan, the reason Tony has never averaged more then 6 assists per season, is because of the way our offense is set up, not because he can't do it. Our team isn't made up of hard-core, natural shooters like other teams--aka Phoenix or Seattle. Therefore, he isn't always going to get those high assists numbers. And if you look back on the games where he DID get high assists, you'll notice we have a high % of field goals for those nights--which doesn't always happen and come easily with the Spurs. You can't get many assists when your #1 option is throw the ball to Timmy.

[SequSpur]

Spurs haven't done anything to improve over last year's second round exit.

NOTHING.

They should've unloaded Manu and change for Vince Carter. They would be undefeated.

[Dalamar_the_Dark]

"Dont think we will have many nights when everyone is ice cold."

how soon it's forgotten:

04 playoffs,
Spurs vs LAL:

47% vs 38% W
52% vs 51% W

and then "everyone is ice cold":

34% vs 57% L
41% vs 50% L
38% vs 43% L
30% vs 44% L

Spurs regular season: 44%

numbers dont tell you . you can easily shoot poorly and your opponents can shoot 60% for all I care but at the end of the day other things factor into the final result. Free throws taken and made. Turnovers made and forced. Rebounding on both ends. This to me are the 3 things that are most important every single game.

WHY?
You get to the line - your opponents are in foul trouble.
You make your FTs - you stop the clock
You limit turnovers - you have more possesions and shots
You force turnovers - your opponents have less possesions and shots
You rebound defensively - your opponents dont have second chance points
You rebound offensively - you get second chance points

These are all easily said and done. but if any team can do this night in and night out. I can tell you that there is a contender straight away.

you dont need to shoot well every night to win. you need to do the little things right. a rebound here 2 FTs made there a steal here a good pass there. and it will go a long way.

So dont rely solely on numbers.

[boutons]

"you can easily shoot poorly and your opponents can shoot 60% "

... and you lose, 99+% of the time, look it up. The Spurs' entire team shooting collapsed to 1) way below the Spurs' season avg 44% (one "shooter" like SJax or Kerr wouldn't have made any diff) and 2) below the Lakers in all 4 losses.

"rely solely on numbers"

I watched the games, I know the results, I don't rely on numbers. Then I go look at the numbers, and goddayum, the numbers tell me the same ing story the video did. Had the Spurs shot 44% in those 4 games like they did all season, Spurs go to WC Finals.

Now YOU, dumb , go look up the current team stats for SA, PHX, SEA and see how the top 3 WC contenders are statistical leaders or near-leaders in one or more key categories that reflects perfectly their contender status.

The exception when a 8th seed and low-stats team wins the NBA is the exception that proves the rule.

STFU with your boring, mindless one-note song about "numbers dont tell you ".

[xcoriate]

Owned!!!

[Drachen]

what does tp being from france have to do with anything?

I think that what he is trying to imply is that Tony should "surrender" his shot attempts to Manu.

[wildbill2u]

Aaarrgh! Go to whichever one is hot--and pray that one of them is--because neither one is going to go down in the Spur record books as one of our premier shooters.

[Spurminator]

The San Antonio Spurs have called a press conference to announce that Tony Parker has been awarded the highly coveted (and official) le of Spurs' Second Option. The Spurs coaching staff have entered into an agreement with Parker to meet a certain quota of plays run specifically for Parker in each game - not to exceed plays run for Spurs First Option Tim Duncan.

The le was hotly contested between Parker and Spurs shooting guard Emanuel Ginobili, but Ginobili will now have to settle for 3rd-most shots each game.

Ginobili's representatives declined to comment.

[IceColdBrewski]

Manu

[Jimcs50]

The San Antonio Spurs have called a press conference to announce that Tony Parker has been awarded the highly coveted (and official) le of Spurs' Second Option. The Spurs coaching staff have entered into an agreement with Parker to meet a certain quota of plays run specifically for Parker in each game - not to exceed plays run for Spurs First Option Tim Duncan.

The le was hotly contested between Parker and Spurs shooting guard Emanuel Ginobili, but Ginobili will now have to settle for 3rd-most shots each game.

Ginobili's representatives declined to comment.

We are ed now.

[Athenea]

The San Antonio Spurs have called a press conference to announce that Tony Parker has been awarded the highly coveted (and official) le of Spurs' Second Option. The Spurs coaching staff have entered into an agreement with Parker to meet a certain quota of plays run specifically for Parker in each game - not to exceed plays run for Spurs First Option Tim Duncan.

The le was hotly contested between Parker and Spurs shooting guard Emanuel Ginobili, but Ginobili will now have to settle for 3rd-most shots each game.

Ginobili's representatives declined to comment .

[RobinsontoDuncan]

The San Antonio Spurs have called a press conference to announce that Tony Parker has been awarded the highly coveted (and official) le of Spurs' Second Option. The Spurs coaching staff have entered into an agreement with Parker to meet a certain quota of plays run specifically for Parker in each game - not to exceed plays run for Spurs First Option Tim Duncan.

The le was hotly contested between Parker and Spurs shooting guard Emanuel Ginobili, but Ginobili will now have to settle for 3rd-most shots each game.

Ginobili's representatives declined to comment.

i think spurminator was the only person to get this wasnt really a hard line thread, i was joking around..... Dalamar_the_Dark whatever the your stupid name is, you havent been here very long so STFU telling me this is a stupid thread, your a dumbass, hey lets go to the line a lot with our bad shooting perecentage and win

you dumb if we aren hitting shots on the floor what makes you think the SPURS are going to make free throws?

Next offensive rebounds..... obviously if we are shooting 38% we arent getting good position down low and need to hit open mid range shots.... yeah

um, damn you should really think before you speak, it cuts down on those horrible foot in mouth, wow i was a dumbass comments you'll regrett later....stupid thread...your just plain stupid

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Spurs haven't done anything to improve over last year's second round exit.

NOTHING.

They should've unloaded Manu and change for Vince Carter. They would be undefeated

When i brought up this exact trade scenario in the pre-season you told me i was on crack, now he is injured, having the worst season in his career's histroy, and has tried to throw games, and now you want him? How stupid are you, you short and apparently bi-polar man?

RobinsontoDuncan, the reason Tony has never averaged more then 6 assists per season, is because of the way our offense is set up, not because he can't do it. Our team isn't made up of hard-core, natural shooters like other teams--aka Phoenix or Seattle. Therefore, he isn't always going to get those high assists numbers. And if you look back on the games where he DID get high assists, you'll notice we have a high % of field goals for those nights--which doesn't always happen and come easily with the Spurs. You can't get many assists when your #1 option is throw the ball to Timmy.

Steve Nash was on one of those shooting teams, then moved to a run and gun, down-low power team and is averaging career high assists. Just a thought

[Rick Von Braun]

I think it is pretty clear that Tony is the 2nd option. He plays more minutes/g (33.0 min vs 29.2 min), shoots more (12.08 FGA/g vs 9.84 FGA/g) and in general he has the ball in his hands more time on the court.

[pjjrfan]

Who cares. As long as the Spurs have a W at the end of the game. I love both these guys, they are young, exciting, and talented. And they will get better as the season goes along. I wouldn't change anything in Manu's game, I think the guy is just a winner period. If he is not scoring he is finding other ways to help the team even his mistakes come from his drive to win. Now Tony on the other hand, I expect him to become a more compete player especially from the PG position. If he can get back to the level of play he showed last march when he helped lead the Spurs to a great month and a sweep of the Grizzlies, this team will be tough to beat, no matter who we play. He is not there yet, he needs to have that type of control of the offense that he did last march for the Spurs to win. So I don't know if I want to have Tony as the 2nd scoring option, but I know I want Tony to be the 2nd best player after Tim on the court for the Spurs to win a le.

[ALVAREZ6]

I think it is pretty clear that Tony is the 2nd option. He plays more minutes/g (33.0 min vs 29.2 min), shoots more (12.08 FGA/g vs 9.84 FGA/g) and in general he has the ball in his hands more time on the court.

HES the PG

[Drachen]

i think spurminator was the only person to get this wasnt really a hard line thread, i was joking around..... Drachen whatever the your stupid name is, you havent been here very long so STFU telling me this is a stupid thread, your a dumbass, hey lets go to the line a lot with our bad shooting perecentage and win

you dumb if we aren hitting shots on the floor what makes you think the SPURS are going to make free throws?

Next offensive rebounds..... obviously if we are shooting 38% we arent getting good position down load and need to hit open mid range shots.... yeah

um, damn you should really think before you speak, it cuts down on those horrible foot in mouth, wow i was a dumbass comments you'll regrett later....stupid thread...your just plain stupid

Riiiiiiight, I really think you just directed your comments at the wrong person. I made no such comments about free throws, etc. I only made a tounge-in-cheek comment about the french surrendering because someone asked "what does tony being french have to do with anything." So the, maybe you should read, then think before you speak.

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When i brought up this exact trade scenario in the pre-season you told me i was on crack, now he is injured, having the worst season in his career's histroy, and has tried to throw games, and now you want him? How stupid are you, you short and apparently bi-polar man?



Steve Nash was on one of those shooting teams, then moved to a run and gun, down-low power team and is averaging career high assists. Just a thought

I never got in on these debates, so once again, I am pretty sure that you are directing your comments at the wrong person. Just for the record, I have always called VC half man-half the season, so I would be against such a trade. How do you know if I am short or not. Oh and Drachen = Dragon (german)

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Drachen, my apologies on the mix up, i fixed it for the right guy, but for the other two quotes you have to look at the name in the quote where it says originally posted by, that should clear a few things up for you.

[1Parker1]

"Steve Nash was on one of those shooting teams, then moved to a run and gun, down-low power team and is averaging career high assists. Just a thought"


???? I'm a little lost on this one. Steve Nash was on a team that was built on offense, not defense with Dallas, hence he got a lot of assists-- Now, he is on a team that has scoring players who are capable of making their shots. Whereas, with the Spurs, out of our starting five, your only serious scoring options are Manu and Timmy. Rasho and Bruce are not great shooters, hence tony will have limited assists.

Regardless, assists don't tell the whole story. Spurs move the ball around a lot, and even though Tony brings up the ball, he isn't always going to be the last one to hand it to the player who makes the shot.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

ok, the thing is thoght that tony isnt going to play with one unit the entire game, during the course of a game Tony could get significant minutes playing with Devin Brown, Brent Barry, Malik Rose and even Beno Udridh (he could play the 2), to go with Manu and Tim.

What I meant is that Steve's new team isnt going for jumpers but dunks and lay-ups, the only real shooter in the line up next to nash is Joe Johnson, and because of that running, attack the rim style, he is averaging a career high in assists, the spurs area averaging the fith most assists in the league playing our style of basketball. Tony can feed Duncan and anyone else those percect low post passes that leave a guy wide open for a dunk.