Post counts have nothing to do with it.
Saying that "Butler sucks" is an ignorant statement.
he doesn't suck. If you had watched the end of the year when he got consistent PT and more than 2 mins in blowouts, you will see he produced great numbers.
It's not an ignorant statement its a FACT. Jackie Butler is NOT GOOD. Why would rockets waive him if he could produce such great numbers? It's not like rockets are so loaded at the 4 or 5 position to begin with. After Yao Scola and Hayes they have hardly anything.
Houston needed a center and they have waived Butler, he should have very bad to be cut. Spurs were maybe right to give up on him. It makes too the Scola trade better. When you see that teams sells late first round pick for $3M, Spurs have gotten more than that for Scola.
I'm surprised he got waived. I don't know what it says about Butler that a team feels more comfortable with an 80 year old Dikembe Mutombo as their backup over him.
Deke arrives in shape and gives effort as long as he's on the floor. If Butler did he'd probably still be a Knick. That Scola trade is looking smarter and smarter.
Lets not forget that Butler being moved is the real reason for washington making the team today!!
Think of it more like Butler being moved created cap space to sign Udoka and Washington.
two thoughts:
1. The Rockets have no problem eating a contract like Butler's even though they're in luxury tax territory
2. I'm not so sure that Butler will be working on his maturity or at his mental game or going to europe or trying to get back in the league and such. The Spurs made him rich, something even Isiah refused to do. He got paid and now that he won't be in the league full time is at risk for ballooning up in weight, and he'll still have a lot of money in the bank.
That was the first thing that popped into my mind when I read the thread le. *cough* Beno *cough* pull the trigger.
1. The Rockets have no problem eating a contract like Butler's even though they're in luxury tax territory
Teams that are desperate to get to where the Spurs are, usually do
Bruno, Rick Adelman put Scola as a Center in the preseason a lot
Yes, Chuck Hayes played too some C.
Hayes and Scola are true PFs.
Butler was so bad that Adelman has rather used PFs to play C than Butler.
Houston roster was overcrowded but not at the C spot, Houston cutting Butler means that he was really bad.
I'm a little surprised that Butler couldn't thrive in an Adelman offense. He seems like a decent fit. I hope Jackie gets the fire back at some point, but at summer league it looked like he was intentionally showing how he wasn't Spurs material.
Kori, what are Noel's dimensions? What are his strengths and weaknesses as a player?
Yeah, those center scrubs Houston has are lucky to be in the NBA. I mean, Yao Ming and Dikembe Mutombo are just horrible.
6'9 245-250 PF. Strengths: Shotblocking. Post offense and D. Athleticism (he dunks a lot but he has good range now too). He didn't get cut today, but I'm guessing he will in a couple days after the Cavs make a trade. Weaknesses: Used to be outside shooting, but he's actually pretty good now. He needs to be more aggressive, but he's better at that now too. He's my best friend (other than timvp) that's why I want him here.
So you don't need a third string center behind the injury prone Yao and the 41 years old Mutombo?Yeah, those center scrubs Houston has are lucky to be in the NBA. I mean, Yao Ming and Dikembe Mutombo are just horrible.
At the start of the training camp, Butler roster spot was said to be quite safe because he was an insurance at the C spot.
As for Butler, I haven't really looked at him lately but I heard he put some weight back on. He needs to get disciplined and stay disciplined to stick in the league.
Sounds like an interesting player. Would love to get a look at him. Why do you think he's bounced around a bit?
Because he didn't get started til late. He didn't play high school basketball in his freshman year, then he went to Inglewood High where he just dunked and blocked shots (he averaged 5 block a game) - he didn't get coached really to learn much of anything else. He went to Fresno St during a chaotic time when there were NCAA violations, players killing people, players getting suspended for drugs (not him), etc. So he was just lucky enough to get through.
I first saw him in 2004 at Spurs summer league, but he's 10 x a better player than that now. For the past few years, he's been the last cut in camp on a few teams. Last season, he actually requested to get waived by Seattle because he had an offer for $500K+ to play with Maccabi. He needed the money because he has a baby and Seattle wasn't guaranteeing him anything. This summer, he played for the Bucks in summer league and looked great and had interest from 7 or 8 NBA teams. He was then sent to a camp by the Cavs in August, then they brought him up to Cleveland about a month before training camp started -- so he's been there for around 50 days. I'm just not sure they have room for him if they make a trade, or if they end up signing AVarejao back. We'll see. In the NBA, when he makes it, he will find a niche as a shotblocker. In limited minutes with the Cavs in preason, he's averaging a block in five minutes playing time. (Sorry for the rant)
Adelman teams in the past have rarely even played backup centers. He likes to slide over a power forward when the center is resting. I expect him to use Mutombo in spot defensive situations like he used to use Pollard.
However, Adelman has always seemed to prefer going small with his backup center, whether it was Buck Williams behind Kevin Duckworth, Lawerence Funderburke behind Vlade Divac or Kenny Thomas behind Brad Miller.
It'll be interesting to see if Butler catches on with another team before the season starts. What really hurts Butler is a team can't sign him and send him to the NBDL. He needs to actually play. Perhaps a Euro team will take a look at him.
Butler should have enough in the bank to be able to play in the D-League himself this year. He's good enough to wait out the draft and be a little more choosy about when he enters the player pool.
Of course he could probably make millions in Europe without ever getting any better.
It's all up to him.
No worries. Makes me wonder with Varejao asking for $10mil per, perhaps the Cavs need to take a look at a guy like that. Keep him around just in case.
In case he doesn't make it there, do you have a feel for how he's viewed by the Spurs organization? Would they be willing to take another look at him down the road?
Good stuff. Always like to see any player that can protect the rim. Looks like the only shotblocker we have here besides TD is Mahinmi - and he'll likely be relegated to Austin duty.
Gotta give the Spurs props for shipping his lazy ass to Houston. As much as the Scola move was criticized, you have to admit throwing Butler into the deal to save his "god-awful" salary was a good move.
No there's only one more lazy ass on the roster to get rid of.
Even if Adelman plays often without a center, Butler has had to be really bad to be cut. When Yao will be injured as every year, Houston will only have Mutombo as true C.
Butler has not been cut because of Adelman, he has been cut because he was horrible. Adelman hasn't even given him playtime during the preseason.
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