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  1. #26
    I own Allanon mavs>spurs2's Avatar
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    The suns are too small/weak inside.

    They will still be able to play with Dallas and all the other top teams, but San Antonio will continue to be the one major road block for them getting to the finals.

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    The suns are too small/weak inside.

    They will still be able to play with Dallas and all the other top teams, but San Antonio will continue to be the one major road block for them getting to the finals.
    I totally agree. I still think that we could beat San Antonio, but we would definitely be massive underdogs. There's a much better chance of Dallas beating San Antonio and then Phoenix beating Dallas.

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    I totally agree. I still think that we could beat San Antonio, but we would definitely be massive underdogs. There's a much better chance of Dallas beating San Antonio and then Phoenix beating Dallas.
    Agreed, and that's not an unlikely scenario at all. I could very easily see that happening.

    Here's my break down of the top 3 teams in the west and their odds when going head to head:

    Dallas vs SA - 50%, 50%
    SA vs Phoenix- 60%, 40%
    Phoenix vs Dallas- 60%, 40%

  4. #29
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    I don't think they are better than last year. They are probably about the same.

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    Out with the old... Obstructed_View's Avatar
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    Our backup shooting guard (who apparently you got confused as being the backup point guard, proving you don't watch the Suns) was injured during the San Antonio series, which limited his effectiveness.
    Are you talking about Barbosa? He played 30 minutes a night and started game 5. When was he injured?

    ESPN must be confused as well, since they list him as a PG. Everybody knows that he's actually a shooting guard with the obvious exception of Mike D'Antoni, who plays him out of position due to the fact that the Suns didn't have a backup point guard.

    Diaw is a good player off the bench...
    Okay, that's just funny.

  6. #31
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    you've got a good starting 5. a good backup point that shrinks against the spurs. and a bunch of scrubs. you got smaller and weaker. the spurs are going to ing destroy you on the inside. amare will foul out in 20 minutes. how the can you suns fans be optimistic about this?
    That's my regular season starting 5, best used to limit the minutes of the starters over the 82-game grind and keep them fresh for the playoffs.

    Against the Spurs, the lineup changes.

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    yeah, that nash isn't a whiny at all.</sarcasm>

    spurs fans that think this guy is great need to check themselves.

    i love the fact, though, that the spurs series is still on his mind. from the mavs to the suns, the spurs have a mental thing on this dude. he's never going to beat them. hahaha
    A Steve Nash team will never beat the Spurs. , Mark Cuban knew this 3 years ago. Ever since they dumped him their defense has improved by leaps and bounds. Not to mention the fact that they actually managed to beat the Spurs and reach the Finals without Nash holding them down on the defensive end.

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    A Steve Nash team will never beat the Spurs. , Mark Cuban knew this 3 years ago. Ever since they dumped him their defense has improved by leaps and bounds. Not to mention the fact that they actually managed to beat the Spurs and reach the Finals without Nash holding them down on the defensive end.

    What's with your personal vendetta against Steve Nash? He wasn't the reason they failed to reach the Finals. While Nash played in Dallas, Shawn Bradley was the Mavs starting center. No team can win with Bradley playing center. The Mavs were also a poor rebounding team which means they lacked size and strength on the frontline. Mark Cuban tried to get everyone to drink the koolaid when Nash left. What happened when Nash played the Mavs in the 2005 playoffs? Jason Terry sure shut Nash down didn't he! In 2006, the Mavs get to the Finals despite some bogus officiating which allowed them to get by the Spurs. Up 2-0 against the Heat, they proceed to give away the next four games in part because they couldn't calm the nerves. Then last season, Baron Davis and the Warriors destroy the Mavs in the biggest playoff upset in NBA history. Your comment about Nash "holding them down" on the defensive end is hilarious. In the last three playoffs, Nash, Wade and Davis all tore apart Jason Terry. While Nash isn't a great defender, he can't be worse than Terry.

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    They got robbed

    Where the is police?
    They should find the bas s and return what was stolen to Nash and his companiens.
    What was stolen?

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    80-2 season... 16-0 playoffs

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    It doesnt matter how much deeper, faster, younger, more athletic they are, they are still WAY too small to beat the Spurs.

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    Are you talking about Barbosa? He played 30 minutes a night and started game 5. When was he injured?

    ESPN must be confused as well, since they list him as a PG. Everybody knows that he's actually a shooting guard with the obvious exception of Mike D'Antoni, who plays him out of position due to the fact that the Suns didn't have a backup point guard.


    Okay, that's just funny.
    To answer your question about when Barbosa got injured, in the Laker series. He just never told anyone but his brother about the injury from what I heard.

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    Personally I have my doubts that Grant Hill is enough to make up for another year on Nash's body and another knee surgery for Amare.

    And the idea that Hill is better than Joe Johnson is absolutely hilarious.

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    Here's a bit of advice from Bill Russell to all run and gun teams:

    BILL RUSSELL: "Every year in every major compe ion we always focus on the offensive players and make them the favorites. When they don’t win, we say it’s an upset, but before the game everyone concludes that the best defensive team will win the series. You can change the whole atmosphere of a situation by certain defensive moves, far more than you can change the atmosphere by offensive moves."



    The bleeding nose and suspensions are not of central importance, those were just your typical unfortunate cir stances that accompany any professional sport and can happen at any time. The Spurs gave up the race for the #2 seed with the last 3 games: Duncan's ejection led to the loss which led to starters sitting the final 2 garbage games. With those three victories, the Spurs have the same 61-21 record as you, hold homecourt advantage. As, as stated tens of times before, we had a better West record than you and won the season series and were 3-2 in non-suspension games versus you.

    No suspensions and no bloody nose doesn't give you the series, it helps your chances, but doesn't automatically put you past the Spurs. Defense usually prevails and would've prevailed anyway.

    No go run and gun your way to 60 wins before losing to us again.

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    Are you talking about Barbosa? He played 30 minutes a night and started game 5. When was he injured?

    ESPN must be confused as well, since they list him as a PG. Everybody knows that he's actually a shooting guard with the obvious exception of Mike D'Antoni, who plays him out of position due to the fact that the Suns didn't have a backup point guard.


    Okay, that's just funny.
    Yeah...Im sure Barbosa faked that off-season elbow surgery.

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    Personally I have my doubts that Grant Hill is enough to make up for another year on Nash's body and another knee surgery for Amare.
    I'd agree with this in part. Also, I believe Amare's recent surgery was on his other knee... Not his microfractured one.


    And the idea that Hill is better than Joe Johnson is absolutely hilarious.
    I can see how the claim can be made that Hill will be a better fit than the 2004-05 JJ. Obviously right now they are light years apart, but JJ that year was a consistant 15-18 ppg, 4 rpg, 4 apg wing. What Hill lacks in overall defense and three-point range is made up in veteran leadership.

    Would I want JJ over Hill? Of course, but if the comparison is the present Hill to the 2004-05 Johnson, then I can see the argument for Hill.

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    I'd agree with this in part. Also, I believe Amare's recent surgery was on his other knee... Not his microfractured one.




    I can see how the claim can be made that Hill will be a better fit than the 2004-05 JJ. Obviously right now they are light years apart, but JJ that year was a consistant 15-18 ppg, 4 rpg, 4 apg wing. What Hill lacks in overall defense and three-point range is made up in veteran leadership.

    Would I want JJ over Hill? Of course, but if the comparison is the present Hill to the 2004-05 Johnson, then I can see the argument for Hill.
    Joe Johnson can do everything Hill does plus knock down the three plus guard three positions. I would gladly trade Diaw and Hawks pick to have Joe Johnson baack.

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    got robbed? people need to get a clue!

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    I can see how the claim can be made that Hill will be a better fit than the 2004-05 JJ. Obviously right now they are light years apart, but JJ that year was a consistant 15-18 ppg, 4 rpg, 4 apg wing. What Hill lacks in overall defense and three-point range is made up in veteran leadership.

    Would I want JJ over Hill? Of course, but if the comparison is the present Hill to the 2004-05 Johnson, then I can see the argument for Hill.
    I don't know man. JJ wasn't an All-star in 04-05 but I'm pretty sure he was a better player than Hill is now. Keep in mind you haven't even seen Hill in a regular season game yet. He's a talented guy but he's old and he's not going to be a consistent big time contributor in over the next 5-6 months. JJ was/is a pretty damn great player.

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    80-2 season... 16-0 playoffs

    where do the 2 losses come from?

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    I don't know man. JJ wasn't an All-star in 04-05 but I'm pretty sure he was a better player than Hill is now. Keep in mind you haven't even seen Hill in a regular season game yet. He's a talented guy but he's old and he's not going to be a consistent big time contributor in over the next 5-6 months. JJ was/is a pretty damn great player.
    Like I said, you can make a case... I didn't say it was overwelming, or even that I'd make it, but a case can be made that the potential is there for THIS Grant Hill to be better/do better than THAT 2004-05 Joe Johnson.

    I hated losing Johnson, and even though the trade brought a lot of promise, I'd still rather have JJ back. He's the dominant third-scorer that would make the Suns offense killer again. Hill will fill in nicely. I'd imagine nearly to the level of the 04-05 JJ, minus threes and some defense, but with better judgment and savvy...

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    Are you talking about Barbosa? He played 30 minutes a night and started game 5. When was he injured?

    ESPN must be confused as well, since they list him as a PG. Everybody knows that he's actually a shooting guard with the obvious exception of Mike D'Antoni, who plays him out of position due to the fact that the Suns didn't have a backup point guard.


    Okay, that's just funny.
    Barbs had surgery immediately following the series, and said that it started acting up on him during the playoffs, and it really threw off his shot. I think it was obvious watching him that something was up.

    ESPN is confused. Our best lineup is when we have Steve and LB in the same lineup, with Raja at small forward and Trix at the four. When Steve is off the floor Diaw typically runs the offense, and I'm sure the Barbosa's point guard duties will take even more of a hit this year because Hill is such a good passer. As for Diaw, he's gotten a bunch of problems for sure, but as far as bench guys go we could certainly do alot worse. He's a scrub by no means.

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    i dont know how you guys are going to beat the spurs when you havnt solve defensive roles...

    wtf is going to guard td down low?

    seriously if the spurs put this lineup duncan + horry + udoka + bowen + ginoboli or parker at the same time.....small ball is finished.

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    i dont know how you guys are going to beat the spurs when you havnt solve defensive roles...

    wtf is going to guard td down low?

    seriously if the spurs put this lineup duncan + horry + udoka + bowen + ginoboli or parker at the same time.....small ball is finished.
    Phoenix hype machine is in full overdrive mode. I keep seeing all the experts talking about how this is "their year" and they're "on a mission." Whatever. Losing Kurt Thomas means they'll not only have trouble against the Spurs, but any team with a big man.

    If their path to the Finals doesn't involve San Antonio, they'll probably win a le. If they meet the Spurs, they're finished.

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    where do the 2 losses come from?
    D'antoni decides to rest his starters to prep for the playoffs

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